The Truth Found a Voice in Rick Perry

September 23, 2011 | Vanity

[txrangerette]

Might want to keep inspecting the candidate wares.

DeMint, for all his apparent nice points, isn’t going to run.

DeMint, believe it or not, supported Mitt Romney last time. I still haven’t figured that one out.

[listenhillary]

The incentive for illegals coming to America is the opportunity that we offer vs Mexico. I seriously doubt that they are coming across the border for in state tuition at UOT. They actually have to pay money to attend college.

The libertarian view is no borders at all and I do not agree with that. Their reasoning is the amount of government benefits showered on warm bodies is ten or twenty times the standard of living of their homeland. Living poor in America is living the king’s life. Reduce the benefits showered on poor in America and you reduce the osmosis action that is sucking people across the border that happens when there is a huge disparity of goodies offered by the two governments.

[kabar]

The water supply and who gets it doesn't need to be affected. One would think that this is the first time in world history that a fence has been placed near a river.

Lest you lose sight of the objective, it is to secure the border of the US where 500,000 to 1 million illegal aliens are apprehended annually trying to cross into the US with more than that succeeding. Add to that the drug traffic and the over $100 billion in annual costs associated with illegal aliens and the tens of thousands of Americans who have been killed or injured by illegals.

One-in-ten (10%) of everyone born in Mexico resides in the U.S. Among Mexican-born men ages 30 to 44, one-in-five (20%) are in the U.S. Among Mexican-born women in the same age group, more than one-in-seven (15%) are in the U.S. We are being colonized.

[listenhillary]

Lets not give my money to anyone OK? What team are you fighting for again?

[listenhillary]

Perry supports using troops as a quick reaction force and electronic surveillance via drones. Would this work as well?

Fences and lock are for honest people and will not stop the determined from gaining access to US soil.

[listenhillary]

Would there be a drug trade if not for the demand from the USA?

[no-to-illegals]

Here for your viewing ....

Guess many people believe in rewarding bad behavior and law breakers. This is true of politicians who reward people who are not citizens with citizens’ money. While it would be best and perfect to not reward anyone, but rather instead cause those here legally and citizens to be responsible for themselves, the politicians continue with the game of pitting one group against another group; Choosing winners and losers. That method is not the method of the Founders. Few will read, fewer will know the truth.

277 posted on Saturday, September 24, 2011 9:05:58 AM by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)

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[listenhillary]

Guess many people believe in rewarding bad behavior

Like almost every aspect of our government does? Drop out of school, have babies before your financially capable, use addictive drugs. So on and on.

[no-to-illegals]

agreed

[kabar]

Would there be a drug trade if not for the demand from the USA?

What is your point? Exactly how would you shut off demand? If we did a better job of interdicting drug smuggling, the price of drugs would go up making them less affordable. We can address our domestic demand problem thru education and law enforcement, but we cannot allow our sovereignty to be violated by allowing drugs or any other banned commodity for that matter to enter this country illegally. Do we have national borders or not?

[listenhillary]

“If Obama is re-elected this country is going to be Mexico.
Actually it would be more like Venezuela. “

It could be more like Afghanistan in 30 years. We are being out bred in sheer numbers by the Muslims. Choosing a president will have little impact on this fact.

[listenhillary]

If we did a better job of interdicting drug smuggling, the price of drugs would go up making themless affordable more profitable.

Got to go get some real work done.

[no-to-illegals]

Never underestimate the will of the American people. Many have over the course of history and history tells the tale. I too become discouraged, though today I shall remain encouraged (perhaps).

[KeyLargo]

Perry Meltdown. Forty Percent of Texas Jobs Going to Illegal Immigrants

From Business Insider. Plenty of people have already attacked the Texas growth myth, but this report from the Center for Immigration Studies really stings.

The non-partisan group found that newly-arrived immigrants claimed 81% of state job growth from 2007 to 2011. What’s worse, half of those immigrants were illegal — representing 40% of state growth.

Obviously this won’t go over well on the Perry campaign.

Newly-arrived immigrants dominated job growth despite representing only 29% of population growth.

More from the CIS report:

Of jobs created in Texas since 2007, 81 percent were taken by newly arrived immigrant workers (legal and illegal).

In terms of numbers, between the second quarter of 2007, right before the recession began, and the second quarter of 2011, total employment in Texas increased by 279,000. Of this, 225,000 jobs went to immigrants (legal and illegal) who arrived in the United States in 2007 or later.

Of newly arrived immigrants who took a job in Texas, 93 percent were not U.S. citizens. Thus government data show that more than three-fourths of net job growth in Texas were taken by newly arrived non-citizens (legal and illegal).

The large share of job growth that went to immigrants is surprising because the native-born accounted for 69 percent of the growth in Texas’ working-age population (16 to 65). Thus, even though natives made up most of the growth in potential workers, most of the job growth went to immigrants.

The share of working-age natives holding a job in Texas declined significantly, from 71 percent in 2007 to 67 percent in 2011. This decline is very similar to the decline for natives in the United States as a whole and is an indication that the situation for native-born workers in Texas is very similar to the overall situation in the country despite the state’s job growth.

Of newly arrived immigrants who took jobs in Texas since 2007, we estimate that 50 percent (113,000) were illegal immigrants. Thus, about 40 percent of all the job growth in Texas since 2007 went to newly arrived illegal immigrants and 40 percent went to newly arrived legal immigrants.

Immigrants took jobs across the educational distribution. More than one out three (97,000) of newly arrived immigrants who took a job had at least some college.

These numbers raise the question of whether it makes sense to continue the current high level of legal immigration and also whether to continue to tolerate illegal immigration.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/texas-jobs-immigrants-rick-perry-2011-9#ixzz1YpAWCzZf

[kabar]

Perry supports using troops as a quick reaction force and electronic surveillance via drones. Would this work as well?

Perry says he supports fences in urban areas. I support all of the above depending on the terrain, where our intelligence indicates most of the traffic is coming from, etc. The objective is to secure our border. Let the experts determine how best to do it in terms of effectiveness and costs.

Fences and lock are for honest people and will not stop the determined from gaining access to US soil.

Fences or physical barriers are effective. We use them to protect military bases, nuclear plants, airports, the WH, etc. They are force multipliers, i.e., they reduce the need for personnel. Used in connjunction with sensors, lighting, drones, roads, personnel, etc., they can be quite effective. Ask the Israelis or the Indians who are constructing their own fence along the border with China or the Greeks with Turkey.

We have designs for border anti-climb fencing, some of which is already in use on the US-Mexican border. It works. The specs were included in the 2006 Secure Fence Act that was approved by Congress and signed by Bush. Obama and Hillary voted for it.

The open border types like to ridicule the idea of any fence. Some have even compared it to the Berlin Wall, which is ridiculous in terms of its purpose. Fences make good neighbors.

San Diego-Tijuana

A lone Border Patrol vehicle along with tower mounted video cameras monitor activity along the border fence between Tijuana, Mexico and San Diego Tuesday July 4, 2006, in San Diego.

[KeyLargo]

Perry justified Texas’s mini-amnesty on federalism grounds: “This was a state issue. Texas voted on it.”

Rick Perry, In-State Tuition, and Federal Law
September 23, 2011 5:43 P.M.
By Heather Mac Donald

That might be a minimally colorable argument but for a little problem: Federal law explicitly forbids just what Texas did. “An alien who is not lawfully present in the United States,” declares Section 505 of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (IIRIRA), “shall not be eligible on the basis of residence within a State . . . for any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national of the United States is eligible for such a benefit (in no less an amount, duration, and scope) without regard to whether the citizen or national is such a resident.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/278242/rick-perry-state-tuition-and-federal-law-heather-mac-donald#

[kabar]

I get it. Your are a Paulista who favors legalizing drugs so we can tax them. Libertarians also believe in open borders and free flow of labor hence your objection to fences. They offend you.

[hocndoc]

The population control group, CIS, mixes legal and illegal immigrants. This is the group that John Tanton started, along with several Planned Parenthood chapters.

See posts 22, 27, 29 and more here for the eugenicist, environmentalist background of all the founders and many of the Directors of CIS.

From post 27:
the founder of FAIR, NumbersUSA, and Centers for Immigration Study, John Tanton.
http://www.garretthardinsociety.org/tributes/tr_tanton_2003oct.html

There’s no doubt that Tanton is a eugenicist or that FAIR and NumbersUSA share many of his values. They are a front for zero population growth.

“Many now recognize the urgency with which we need to halt the human-caused degradation of Earth’s natural environment. “ http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=16911&security=1601&news_iv_ctrl=1009

Look at this list of FAIR Director and Advisory Board member http://www.fairus.org/site/PageNavigator/about/board_of_directors.html : John Tanton (PP board of director, founder NumbersUSA, chair Sierra Club Population Committee), Richard Lamm (former Chair, current Advisory Board member, proponent of euthanasia, eventually the elderly will recognize their duty to die), Paul Ehrlich (wrote “The Population Bomb), Sarah G. Epstein (PP board of directors). Hardin was in this group until his death.

NumbersUSA itself refers to Earth Day, Sierra Club, sustainability, human-caused global warming, and environmentalism as support for its position on zero population growth,

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/hot-topics/more-topics/sustainability.html

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/issues/environment/call-population-stabilization-1970s.html

Roy Beck focuses on the environment and willingness to practice “Family planning” and “planned parenthood” by religious organizations
http://www.population-security.org/beck-3-01.htm

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/cafarop/april-21-2010/why-i-am-environmentalist-immigration-reduction.html

Roy Beck writes position papers published by the Centers for Immigration Studies - another Tanton org. - decrying urban sprawl and calling for population control.
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/files/pdf/SprawlPaper.pdf

[KeyLargo]

I don’t know who or what that group is. But what does that do with Perry pandering to the illegal alien - Mexican vote?

Rick Perry panders in vain to Mexican gov’t-linked NALEO

http://24ahead.com/rick-perry-panders-vain-mexican-govt-linked-naleo

Mexican Government Thanks Rick Perry for allowing Illegals to Attend Colleges with Entitlements | Video | Americans for Freedom

http://americansforfreedom.org/videos/11/1869

[hocndoc]

You should know about the pro-abort, pro-eugenics, pro-environmentalist organization that you gave as a reference. If they’re willing to kill humans, what’s stopping them from lying about jobs?

Illegals don’t vote in Texas. Mexicans don’t vote in Texas.
Texans vote in Texas. Some Texans have a heritage that includes “Latino” or “hispanic.”

You claim that the Governor “panders,” yet your link says he gave a conservative speech.