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To: NavyCanDo

“You think 9/11 cause chaos, wait until most of the 8,000 aircraft in the sky fall out of the sky all at once. “

You play too many video games, like Call of Duty: MOdern Warfare 2 where they have a scene with all kinds of aircraft come crashing down and solider yells, “EMP!” ROTFLMAO!!!

You kids and your dillusions of drama.

Aircraft wouldn’t even close to even noticing an EMP attack. Their systems are hardened against even a lighten strike and you want to claim EMP, which you know nothing about, will slip right on in and damage the airplane. Good luck with that Survivalist Porn Fantasy.


199 posted on 09/25/2011 5:49:55 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: CodeToad; NavyCanDo

“Aircraft wouldn’t even close to even noticing an EMP attack. Their systems are hardened against even a lighten strike and you want to claim EMP, which you know nothing about, will slip right on in and damage the airplane.”

Code Toad, I’m calling you out on a huge mistake. I’ve seen several posts of yours on this thread comparing EMP to a lightening strike. FYI, EMP generated by a nuke are composed of 3 specific types of pulses: E1, E2 and E3. E1 is the pulse to be worried about - it is extremely fast, far faster than a lightening strike or other surge that normal surge protectors are designed to stop. It is over and done with completely in a microsecond, with most of its damage done within 200 nanoseconds and its peak strength at roughly 5 nanoseconds. The electronics of planes are generally not designed to deal with that at all - with military aircraft a possible exception. I sincerely cannot comment on the “8,000 planes falling out of the sky” scenario, so I won’t - but I DO say that comparing EMP to lightening in its effects is DEAD WRONG. Simply put, protection against lightening strikes and other common electrical surges will be wholly inadequate to protect against the E1 surge.

Now you do have E2 being roughly comparable to lightening - and lightening generally produces stronger such strikes than a nuke, so I don’t think that most people who understand EMP are really worried much about E2. It lasts from about 1 microsecond to 1 second after the beginning of the EMP strike - after all of the E1 damage is done. E3 is roughly equivalent to the pulse from a geomagnetic storm - it lasts from tens to hundreds of seconds. No one is much worried about nuke-induced pulses of this type - again because the main damage a nuke-generated EMP would cause would be due to the E1 pulse.

Don’t believe me? Then look it up here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse

So PLEASE stop inaccurately comparing nuke-generated EMP effects to that of lightening - that’s not what ANYONE SERIOUS is talking about.


221 posted on 09/25/2011 7:44:54 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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To: CodeToad; Ancesthntr
I don't know what percentage of commercial U.S. aircraft are hardened against EMP , but for arguments sake lets say all U.S. commercial carriers are shielded. Do you have any idea how many foreign jet liners, private planes, commuter planes, traffic helicopters, commuter and private helicopters are in the sky at any given moment? And out of those if just 10% crash because of EMP, you really think it will be business as usual the next morning?

I’m not the one living in the fantasy world. But go ahead and keep insulting those that disagree with you. After all, the rest of us have been brainwashed and are part of the Government misinformation conspiracy, and you are the only one that knows the truth.

Oh, and I found this in an online science journal that backs our side of the argument better than yours.

• The extent to which airplanes would fall out of the sky because of an EMP is a big unknown. The Boeing 777 and newer airliners are “fly by wire” systems, with all control of the aircraft done by computer. Older aircraft such as the Boeing 737 are nearly impossible to control without electrically-assisted hydraulics, but do not rely on computers for the most basic control functions. Some military aircraft even have “fly by wire” systems that are not EMP hardened. (The stealth bomber is EMP-hardened — but the F-117 stealth fighter is not, and is completely impossible to fly with inoperative computers.) Although all of these aircraft have considerable electromagnetic shielding, the civilian airliners have not been tested for EMP resistance. If a cell phone presents a danger to an airliner, a nuclear electromagnetic pulse would present a severe danger. Aircraft flying at high altitudes are much closer to the “source region” where EMP is produced. In the lower atmosphere, the EMP field strength is fairly uniform over large regions; but at high altitudes, the EMP strengths could be much larger.

http://www.futurescience.com/emp/emp-notes.html

226 posted on 09/25/2011 8:30:54 PM PDT by NavyCanDo (GO MAMA GRIZZLY!)
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