Posted on 10/06/2011 7:10:04 AM PDT by blam
If SHTF, Could You and Would You Shoot Someone?
Gaye Levy
October 5th, 2011
Backdoor Survival
The following article has been graciously contributed for your reading pleasure by Gaye Levy, the Survival Woman, of Backdoor Survival.
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For most of us, our home is our refuge. There is even an old proverb: a man’s home is his castle. But what happens if there is an intruder? Or worse, an intruder whose intent is bodily harm toward you or your family members regardless of the reason? How would you defend yourself and, more specifically, would you shoot someone? Could you shoot someone?
I have struggled with the answer to these questions and more, because, if there were a collapse of society – a true SHTF situation – there is a strong likelihood that I would be placed in a position to defend myself, my homestead and my stuff. And therein lies the problem. I am not at all sure I could shoot someone. As a matter of fact, I am pretty sure I could not.
There, I said it. For in spite of the fact that we have shopped for a suitable weapon for someone of my size and gender, and in spite of the fact I have researched classes and shooting ranges where I could practice and become proficient, I personally do not think I could not do it.
And you know what? My informal poll of others – both men and women – has told me that about 50% of us – if we dig down deep – feel the same way. I could not shoot with the intent to harm.
Sure, I know that shooting someone is not the question. The question really is “Can you safely defend yourself and your family against a life threatening situation or attack?” And if the answer is “I don’t know” or even “No”, then you have a problem. I know I do.
From the way I see it, we have three basic issues:
* What are the circumstances where we should use extreme force to defend ourselves?
* Will I end up in jail or prison for exercising my right to defend myself and my family?
* How do I defend myself especially if I am uncomfortable around guns?
* What are the circumstances where we should use extreme force to defend ourselves?
In my mind, you are justified in using force – lethal or otherwise – against another human being if, and only if, there is immediate and unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm to an innocent person. So by my definition, someone stealing my stuff does not qualify. Neither would revenge for something that happened yesterday.
Breaking this down, this means that the threat would have to be now, not yesterday and not tomorrow. “I am going to come and get you tomorrow” would not qualify by my definition.
Will I end up in jail or prison for exercising my right to defend myself and my family?
Good question. The answer is maybe. There is something called the Castle Doctrine that dictates, on a state by state basis, the circumstances where you can legally defend yourself from bodily harm. Notice that I said bodily harm and not destruction or theft of property.
Castle doctrine derives from English Common Law, and broadly affirms that the lawful occupants of a dwelling has the right to use force, up to and including deadly force, to protect against attack. Depending on individual state law, Castle Doctrine generally applies only if you have a “reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm” to yourself or to others.
Like I said, Castle Doctrine varies from state to state and some states have something called “Stand Your Ground” instead. Still, as a generalization, protections offered include the following:
Reinforced right to use deadly force: You have the right to use deadly force if you have an immediate and reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm. In some cases, the “reasonable fear” is presumed if someone attempts to make a forcible and unlawful entry into your residence or, in some states, vehicle.
No duty to retreat: The laws generally reinforce your right to “stand your ground” when attacked, rather than having to attempt to flee, provided you reasonably believe force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury and provided you are lawfully in the place you occupy.
Immunity from criminal prosecution: In cases of justifiable use of deadly force, police or other law enforcement authorities may generally investigate but not arrest you unless they find probable cause that the force used was unlawful.
Immunity from civil action: In cases of justifiable use of deadly force, a plaintiff (e.g. the family of the perpetrator) is barred from civil action and may be required to pay attorney’s fees and court costs from bringing such action against you.
How do I defend myself especially if I am uncomfortable around guns?
Okay, here are the choices that I have come up with in no particular order:
* Chemical Sprays (pepper spray , bear spray, wasp killer)
* Martial arts
* Firearms (shotgun, rifle, pistol)
* Battering devices (batons, fireplace pokers, baseball bats)
* Stun Guns
* Knives * Avoidance (hiding, running away)
I do want to note that most self defense instructors will say that avoiding, or running away or even hiding from the danger or confrontation is by far the best thing to do. Unfortunately, that may not always be a viable and safe option.
For me, having a combination of these self-defense mechanisms is best. This will allow both Survival Husband and myself to choose the very best option particular to the threat and our personal comfort lever (again “to shoot” or “not to shoot”).
Summary
Ask yourself if you are ready for the chaos created by SHTF, in whatever form it might take. Also think about putting together a “SHTF Self Defense and Intruder Safety Plan”.
Here are some tips to get started:
1. The first step is to talk to your spouse, partner and/or other family members about your individual feelings a toward guns, knives and other self defense weapons. This is not the time for BS. It is best to be honest with yourself now, before the need to defend yourself is called in to action.
2. Examine some what-if scenarios and think about what additional information you need in order to become comfortable with your plan and with a possible “shoot” or don’t shoot” decision.
3. Invest in the gear and the skills you know you will use and then learn how to use them. The gear and skills that you select for one family member may be different than those chosen for another family member. One may choose a firearm and the other may choose a combination of chemical sprays and martial arts.
4. Respect the skills and mindset of your family members or others in your household. There is no right and no wrong.
5. Educate yourself regarding the Castle Doctrine Laws in your state and use them as a guideline in formulating your plan. Keep in mind, however, that if there is a SHTF situation, there may no longer be a government so any existing laws or rules may not apply.
The Final Word
The more you think about these things in advance, the more confident you will become in your ability to make a good decision under stress when defending yourself and your loved ones is the only choice your have.
To learn more about the Castle Doctrine Laws specific to your state, visit this link: The Castle Doctrine.
Enjoy your next adventure through common sense and thoughtful preparation!
Gaye
The price ain't bad either.
Agreed. Wouldn’t want to. But would. And never lose a wink of sleep.
St Thomas Aquinas, in discussing human life and the defense of same, said that it is sinful NOT to defend innocent human life from those that would prey on it with the force necessary to do just that. I agree.
For most people,,,it’s a reaction, similar to a dog runs out in front of you in the street. Some brake, swerve, miss the dog,,,and never thought about what they did.
Others (very few) freeze with panic,,and do nothing.
It’s hard to predict what people will do.
But basically, there is a central thing that should comfort people pondering this. If you do not see a threat that makes you fear for your life, you won’t be able to shoot. As angry as you might be, no matter what you saw them do. If you aren’t a sociopath,,,you simply won’t shoot them in cold blood.
This often comes up when a cop or soldier captures someone who just killed their friend. Everyone is amazed and says that they would have executed them.
The truth is, no you probably wouldn’t.
On the other hand,,if a person feels a threat to their safety, or the safety of another, people who never thought they could do it are standing there holding a smoking gun.
So if you arent a murderer in real life,, get a gun and practice all you reasonably can. Then trust you hard wiring to get you through a bad incident. You simply won’t murder wrongfully, your morals won’t let you.
,, and 99% of people don’t barf afterwards either.
Regarding pistol mags, always have at least four, so you can load two and leave them loaded for a couple of months, then change them out for the unloaded ones for a couple of months. The springs will go back to near new when allowed to sit decomplressed for a while. Been rotating my pistol mags for years now. Take them to the range periodically and test them all. With a 1911, you can load the mag to max and expect it to function fine. With a Taurus, load the mag to one less than capacity and it too will be fine. The cheaper the weapon, the less stress the parts will take is the rule of thumb I use. [30 round P-MAgs are $14 at Midway. Keeping four loaded at all times is easy at that price.]
‘that order and government and the judicial system will most likely be restored,’—
Really? restored to letting voter intimidation continue, ‘my people’ let go, racism prevalent. Restored? Really?
As a country boy growing up we killed our own meat (wild and domestic) and I am retired military so I would have no hesitation shooting someone if necessary. However, there are many variables that go into this question even for me. Raven6 clarified some of those variables. The initial assessment is critical....determining if shooting is justified and it must be instantaneous or you are dead first. My biggest fear now is someone breaking my door down in the middle of the night and I end up killing a law enforcement officer on a SWAT raid who is at the wrong address. If an individual has never killed anything in his life such as a deer, bear, etc...then many hours at the range going through simulated situations is a must. Pop-up targets with good guys and bad guys scenario would help. If you can’t do this, then forget the gun thing and put lots of bars/locks on your doors and get an attack dog.
with “extreme prejudice”
... so the cops/SWAT team can kill it first ...
Agreed. If the SHTF then I am hoping I have enough ammo left over after shooting zombies so I can hunt deer.
If someone breaks into my house at night, I will not be courteous enough to interview him about his intentions.
Yes!
Absolutely no hesitation.
Probably repeatedly.
The last sound on this earth the a-hole will hear, is the first round (of 16) being chambered.
If the theat is a mob, I figure just the sound of the semi-auto .308 will change a few minds, the rest will soon tire of stepping on / over dead bodies.
Figured that was enough unloading to minimize spring fatigue.
Never had a failure to feed problem yet using Remington FMJ target ammo from *Wally World* for practice. Use Remington Golden Sabre ammo from the gun dealer for meaning business (Normally what's in 4 primary mags, other 2 loaded with FMJ).
Rarely practice using those expensive Golden Sabre suckers, but never had a failure to feed problem with them either.
YES
Let me see:
Live in Texas - Castle Doctrine - thug threatens - Reach out and touch someone.
Knowing myself the way I do, if I were alone I think I would be subject to hesitation, hoping to avoid the confrontation. However, if my wife or sons were involved, I would be still be pulling the trigger after the third or fourth ‘click’.
The only time I'm uncomfortable around guns is when one is pointed at me.
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