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To: bluecat6
Correct Bluecat.

W@e know that his mother removed him from her passport because he was an Indonesian citizen. So the state department probably had some document with this data.

He needs to exit Indonesia, but he legally can't.

Either the family comes up with the idea to affirm his kenyan citizenship or a lawyer insists it must be done to get him back to the USA. So they call Obama Sr. and he gets the boy a Kenyan passport and possibly a court order from a Kenyan court. He wants his Kenyan boy out of Indonesia, and legally demands it.

508 posted on 01/21/2012 6:28:43 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER

Correct Bluecat.

W@e know that his mother removed him from her passport because he was an Indonesian citizen. So the state department probably had some document with this data.

He needs to exit Indonesia, but he legally can’t.

Either the family comes up with the idea to affirm his kenyan citizenship or a lawyer insists it must be done to get him back to the USA. So they call Obama Sr. and he gets the boy a Kenyan passport and possibly a court order from a Kenyan court. He wants his Kenyan boy out of Indonesia, and legally demands it.

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I have read the Indonesian law on this. A woman married to a Indonesian citizen and her children became citizens of Indonesia under their law. Since the DAD and Lolo were married for 2 years prior to going to Indonesia they probably go everything taken care of before leaving to ensure the family would be properly papered in Indonesia. And thus the US probably recognized the entire Soetoro clan as Indonesian citizens in 1967 before they left.

Now in 1971 things are getting real unstable in Indonesia and its time get Obama II out of there for his own safety. But he is an Indonesian Citizen and his mother is still considered an Indonesian Citizen by Indonesia law AND she is planning on staying in Indonesia for now. So though Indonesia would not recognize her US citizenship she could invoke after being stateside - but her and Lolo had to get Obama declared as an indonesian citizen in 1967 or earlier.

Now, there is always the claim that a child’s parents can not forsake their child’s US citizenship. THAT IS WRONG.

A parent can do such a thing. HOWEVER, a child can reclaim their citizenship if they have not done anything that would nullify their citizenship in the US.

The Nationality Act of 1940, revised 1952, Section 318(a) “A former citizen of the United States expatriated through the expatriation of such person’s parent or parents and who has not acquired the nationality of another country by any affirmative act other than the expatriation of his parent or parents may be naturalized upon filing a petition for naturalization before reaching age of twenty-five years and upon compliance with all requirements of the naturalization laws with the following exceptions:

(b) No former citizen of the United States, expatriated through the expatriation of such person’s parent or parents shall be obliged to comply with the requirements of the immigration laws, if he has not not acquired the nationality of another country by any affirmative act other than the expatriation of his parent or parents, and if he has come or shall come to the United States before reaching the age of twenty-five years.

(c) After his naturalization such person shall have the same citizenship status as if he had not been expatriated.”

So in reality a parent CAN renounce their child’s citizenship, HOWEVER, the child can get it back - AFTER naturalization - resulting the ‘same citizenship status’.

Notice that (c) creates a problem for those who say only two status - natural born and naturalized. (c) certainly shows that there are multiple types of citizen status.

So to clean up the recognized and valid and legal adoption of Obama by Soetoro Obama Senior is needed. Indonesia will nullify the adoption and citizenship of an adopted child whose natural father claims him. And that is what was likely done. And at that point Obama is Kenyan, 100% Kenyan, not Indonesian, not American - Kenyan citizenship. It must be this way to completely and cleanly nullify Indonesia’s claim on Obama II.

Now the question is - how does a child who is considered a Kenyan citizen legally immigrate to the US? Probably through a refugee sponsorship. Obama Senior does not want the kid and just wants to dump him after he is used to spring him from Indonesia. So the child is registered as a refugee with a Catholic organization - based in.....CONNECTICUT! Gran and Granddad are the sponsors. But the process takes time. So when he needs a SS Card - he gets through the refugee function based in Connecticut. This ties into some posters (I am sorry forget right now who that is) that indicates the SS number came from a refugee function in Connecticut.

Then he finds out he can get a good scholarship as a foreign refugee. It has been documented by the LA Times that he was at Oxy “on a full scholarship.” So he leverages that for Oxy. This ties into Huckabee’s comments about attending college as a foreign student.

But now he has problems when he decides or needs to stay in the US and be recognized as a US citizen.

From above:

“...if he has not not acquired the nationality of another country by any affirmative act other than the expatriation of his parent or parents, and if he has come or shall come to the United States before reaching the age of twenty-five years.”

He did acquire his Kenyan nationality through an action other than expatriation of his parent or parents. So it is probably problematic. And he has probably leveraged his ‘foreignness’ to get a scholarship to a US University after the age of 18 - essentially declaring he is not a US Citizen.

Maybe he later fully naturalized - properly and legally - maybe he did not. The records show that......oh, yeah - no records....

‘natural born Citizen’????

If half of this scenario is correct this is a case study of international citizenship laws, allegiances, identities and naturalization requirements. Not a very clean situation to meet the simple criteria of being a ‘natural born Citizen’.

So in summary:
1961 - Born in - who cares. I go with Washington, Canada or Hawaii. Citizenship - US.
1964 - Divorce and Obama Senior INS filing acknowledge birth child of Obama II. Establishing him as a UK Overseas Citizen - from birth.
1965 - Mother marries Lolo Soetoro.
1967 - Family moves to Indonesia. Between 1965 and 1967 Obama is considered Lolo Soetoro’s child by Indonesia AND the US. Citizenship - Indonesian (only)
1971 - Obama Senior legally claimes Obama II. Thus, Indonesia recognizes birth father claim and terminates Obama II’s Indonesian citizenship. Citizenship - Kenyan (note: NOT UK at this point).
After 1971 - US Citizenship gained through naturalization (????) If so when, where, how?


546 posted on 01/21/2012 7:58:32 AM PST by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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