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To: GGMac

There is zero evidence he was legally adopted by Soetoro. What probably happened was that he was living as soetoros son while his mom was married to him. To go to the Indonesian school, he had to go as soetoro’s son and use his last name. My son for a while used his stepfather’s name. I think both bill Clinton and newt Gingrich did the same (and maybe eventually changed their name legally — something Obama obviously didn’t do).

However, I do not doubt he had / has an Indonesian passport. It may have been his first. He may have first traveled there on his mothers pass.


525 posted on 02/04/2012 9:23:01 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

A few years ago it was stated in more than one thread on FR that Zero had never had a US passport until he was a Senator - IIRC a US Senator. Somehow that info was dug up. Researchers will know the details. So that means his entire life he was using passports of some other country or countries. Even as an adult when he went to Pakistan.


546 posted on 02/04/2012 10:33:15 AM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: Yaelle
There is zero evidence he was legally adopted by Soetoro.

I wouldn't say there was ZERO evidence.

And then there was this statement by Maya Soetoro:

"You mentioned the adoption laws of Indonesia that you saw as related to my brother's legitimacy (you were suggesting that because my father, his stepfather, had adopted him, that my brother was no longer American) and I said that I had no idea about Indonesian adoption law.

And then there is this:

With Lame Cherry's analysis of it.

There are the Dunham/Soetoro Divorce Records which say:

“The parties have 1 children below age 18 and 1 chidren above 18 but still dependent on the parties for education.”

So like I said, I wouldn't say there was "ZERO" evidence of it. There is some. It is not absolutely conclusive, but it is certainly indicative.

584 posted on 02/04/2012 3:14:06 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Yaelle

True, there is no iron-clad evidence that Barry was adopted by Soetoro, but it has been reported his half-sister Maya said her father had adopted Barry. There are also the Soetoro divorce papers of 1980 in which it is stated there are two children - one child over age 18 and therefore not requiring court consideration regarding support; the other a minor child who did require court consideration regarding support. Surely not indisputable evidence, but just as surely indicative that Lolo Soetoro had some kind of legal relationship with Barry. If Soetoro didn’t, there would be no reason for him to be mentioned in the legal documents as one of the children of the divorcing couple.

Although step-children in our country do commonly go by the step-father’s name without having been adopted, we don’t know that such would have been allowed in Indonesia, which at the time was in horrific political upheaval. Lolo could very well have been lying, but in the INS docs re: Lolo which were released last year under an FOIA request, he was trying desperately to get the INS to allow him to remain in the US. He was afraid of returning to Indonesia because of the political minefield there, and because the type of work he did [oil industry] would require him to be under direct control of the government. Since Indonesian law was that to attend Indonesian government schools children had to be Indonesian citizens, and considering the political climate, it seems unlikely Soetoro would risk repercussions to himself by doing something illegal. It would seem he’d be careful to not put at risk his chances of being allowed to return to the US for further schooling.

As for Barry having an Indonesian passport - I agree it was most likely the case, and that the 2008 ‘tampering’ of his passport file was part of his concerted effort to rid that file of the incriminating evidence of his coming back into the US on an Indonesian passport.

Another thing about Indonesia - it’s my understanding [can’t cite the Indo. constitution] that one cannot have an Indonesian passport without being an Indonesian citizen. the problem for Barry regarding potential scenario is that Indonesia did not permit dual citizenship. You couldn’t be an American citizen and possess an Indonesian passport. IF that is the scenario of Barry’s hidden past, the only way he could now be a US citizen is by having been naturalized after attaining legal age.

One thing IS for certain: it’s one huge, stinking mess of lies and of “potential scenarios” that anger and frustrate us no end!

You’re very quick and bright, and I always look for your comments.


613 posted on 02/04/2012 9:44:08 PM PST by GGMac ((lesson learned re Obie: parse every sentence, every word, every gesture, every photo))
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