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A Rat Called Tandem (natural born Citizen, GA ballot hearing, Obama)
naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com ^ | 2/4/2012 | Leo Donofrio

Posted on 02/04/2012 3:17:29 PM PST by rxsid

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To: philman_36; Smokeyblue

Anything and everything about a judge that just ruled a treacherous ruling is fair game. I am not going to play tippytoe because you tell me to.

Maybe his naturalized background didn’t influence him. If he’s a Muslim then I don’t trust him. I trust no Muslims.

If you think that my little comments on FR are going to turn some people off to FR or conservatism you’re out of your cotton picking mind.

“Haters are gonna hate”.


121 posted on 02/05/2012 8:29:13 AM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: John Valentine

Well, to date my only error in predicting the outcome of birther court cases is that I thought they had a chance when Obama’s lawyer refused to show up. But the birthers STILL managed to lose...which speaks volumes about the accuracy of what they post here.

Someday, birthers are going to need to learn to read, so they will understand why they can’t make any progress by waving a copy of Minor as they walk into a court...


122 posted on 02/05/2012 8:32:16 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Smokeyblue
And by the way, since when did Islam become a race?
But I didn't say Islam was a race, did I. Muslims are considered a race by many. Don't doubt the ability of liberals and their ilk to twist things about.
Yeah, it's PC in action, but it shouldn't cloud this issue.

All I'm trying to do is warn people about what they write/say.
I'll keep on saying it too, naysayers be damned.

Even Debbie Schlussel gets it.
@Muslim Arabs Whine: “We’re Not White, We Want Separate Race on Census Form to Get More Govt $$$”; “White is Weird” December 17, 2009
And here’s a tip, being Arabic–particularly Muslim Arab, which is what this is all about–isn’t a race. It’s an ethnic group.

Isn't the race card all about ethnicity?

123 posted on 02/05/2012 8:39:09 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Seizethecarp
The WKA court explicitly said they were ONLY ruling on whether WKA was a 14A citizen. Even the Ankeny court admitted this in a footnote. This is the whole point of Leo Donofrio’s excoriation of the Ankeny court for waiving a wand and deciding that considering WKA and the 14A “in tandem” made Obama an NBC

If this is the correct analysis, then it can be argued that Wong Kim Ark was decided correctly. If not, then not. Glad we cleared that up. :)

I disagree with RummyChick and would rather agree to disagree with her than to rehash her argument. I prefer the conclusions of law of Donofrio and Hatfield as applied to the different facts in Minor, ARK, and Ankeny.

I've seen Edge919 argue that Obama is NOT a 14th amendment citizen,(Which is plausible, depending on how you look at it.) and i've seen many argue that he might be. This is one of the problems with interpreting the law I think; The fact that a shading of one characteristic here or there dramatically changes what is the perceived meaning. It is splitting of hairs in some cases.

124 posted on 02/05/2012 8:48:32 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: little jeremiah
Religion should enter the picture, just like it does with Romney.
You would have fit right in back in the late '60s when people were worried about JFK being a Catholic/Papist.

To me Mormonism is a cult, not a religion. I feel the same about Scientology.
Kind of tells you where I stand on that, doesn't it.

Of course, some people think Catholicism is a cult as well.

125 posted on 02/05/2012 8:49:59 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah; Smokeyblue
Just something to consider...
@Who is Judge Michael #Malihi?
I set out to find all the details I could. What I found was precious little.

Snip...I looked up Circuit Court judges, Appellate judges, Superior Court judges, and more. They ALL had bios listed.
Nothing on Judge Michael Malihi.

Snip...For a judge that has been in his position since 1995, doesn’t it seem odd that he has next to no information out there about him?

126 posted on 02/05/2012 8:59:51 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: All
And then "out of the blue" @the statement at Taitz's website comes up in various e-mails and other places and @Orly plays race card comes up shortly thereafter.

Instant distraction of the issue.

(Spit)

127 posted on 02/05/2012 9:09:35 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah
You would have fit right in back in the late '60s...

Edit - You would have fit right in back in the late '50's and early '60s...

128 posted on 02/05/2012 9:25:59 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

You have a bee in your bonnet. It’s not my problem, but yours.


129 posted on 02/05/2012 9:54:51 AM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: philman_36

They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; or, if able to throw them off, it will be in exchange for an unbounded licentiousness, passing, as is usual, from one extreme to another.

It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty. These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children.

In proportion to their number, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its direction, and render it a heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass...

“These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children”

Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia 1782


130 posted on 02/05/2012 10:35:59 AM PST by bushpilot1
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To: philman_36

Do you really want to know what Ben Franklin penned regarding who should immigrate to America and who should not?


131 posted on 02/05/2012 10:45:56 AM PST by bushpilot1
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To: Mr Rogers
I will add emphasis on this very important statement in your quoted passage:

Each one of the persons associated becomes a member of the nation formed by the association. He owes it allegiance and is entitled to its protection. Allegiance and protection are, in this connection, reciprocal obligations. The one is a compensation for the other; allegiance for protection and protection for allegiance.

In other words, if one is a dual citizen, like Mr. Obama is, he owes his allegiance to both the United States AND the United Kingdom. This would pose an even larger problem if he were royalty. He would be unable to recind his citizenship...ever. Fortunately, Mr. Obama is not royalty. However, others are, and they too were born in the United States, and would be considered eligible to become president, according to recent court opinions.

132 posted on 02/05/2012 11:53:43 AM PST by devattel
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To: bushpilot1
Do you really want to know what Ben Franklin penned regarding who should immigrate to America and who should not?

Like this one about Germans?

Advertisements intended to be general are now printed in Dutch and English; the Signs in our Streets have inscriptions in both languages, and in some places only German: They begin of late to make all their Bonds nad other legal Writings in their own Language, which (though I think it ought not to be) are allowed good in our Courts, where the German Business so encreases that there is continual need of Interpreters; and I suppose in a few years they will be also necessary in the Assembly, to tell one half of our Legislators what the other half say; In short unless the stream of their importation could be turned from this to other colonies, as you very judiciously propose, they will soon so out number us, that all the advantages we have will not in My Opinion be able to preserve our language, and even our Government will become precarious. @The Support of the Poor - Benjamin Franklin 1753

Or was there some other you had in mind?

133 posted on 02/05/2012 11:59:42 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: bushpilot1

Even Ben got it wrong every now and then.


134 posted on 02/05/2012 12:02:43 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: devattel

“In other words, if one is a dual citizen, like Mr. Obama is, he owes his allegiance to both the United States AND the United Kingdom.”

Actually, US law does not recognize dual citizenship. We know it exists, but we don’t worry about it.

And the idea that Obama owes the UK allegiance over the US is just STUPID. He hates England. He has lived the large majority of his life in the US, and has never shown any concern for England.

In any case, Minor said citizens were either born or made, and Obama would be a citizen born.


135 posted on 02/05/2012 12:07:08 PM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: bushpilot1
However, this sounds like what we produce in our own Nation through our education system.

I am perfectly of your mind, that measures of great Temper are necessary with the Germans: and am not without Apprehensions, that thro' their indiscretion or Ours, or both, great disorders and inconveniences may one day arise among us; Those who come hither are generally of the most ignorant Stupid Sort of their own Nation, and as Ignorance is often attended with Credulity when Knavery would mislead it, and with Suspicion when Honesty would set it right; and as few of the English understand the German Language, and so cannot address them either from the Press or Pulpit, 'tis almost impossible to remove any prejudices they once entertain.

136 posted on 02/05/2012 12:11:10 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

I’m not so sure you can handle what Franklin wrote who should be citizens and who should not.


137 posted on 02/05/2012 12:20:19 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: philman_36

“That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small.

All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so.

And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth.

I could wish their Numbers were increased.

And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in Mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People?

why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red?

But perhaps I am partial to the Complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind.

Ben Franklin. One of the principal Founders.


138 posted on 02/05/2012 12:28:42 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1
I’m not so sure you can handle what Franklin wrote who should be citizens and who should not.
Awww..don't tease me. Hit me with your best shot.
139 posted on 02/05/2012 12:29:55 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: bushpilot1
Yeah, that's from his essay @America as a Land of Opportunity.
How about a little fuller reading?

And since Detachments of English from Britain sent to America, will have their Places at Home so soon supply'd and increase so largely here; why should the Palatine Boors [Germans] be suffered to swarm into our Settlements, and by herding together establish their Language and Manners to the Exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion.

Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased. And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People? why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red? But perhaps I am partial to the complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind.

140 posted on 02/05/2012 12:37:33 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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