Posted on 02/04/2012 3:17:29 PM PST by rxsid
You see, the members of Congress and the colonies were well acquainted with the phrase ‘natural born subject’. Now, did NBC come from that common term, or from a translation of Vattel made 10 years after the Constitution?
Members of Congress were also familiar with the differences between the terms "citizen" and "subjects". Natural Born Subjects owed sole allegiance to the crown. Natural Born Citizens owe sole allegiance to the Republic.
“I don’t know, what happened to Malihi. I know, that he is not American by birth.”
WOAH. He’s a naturalized citizen? UNFREAKIN BELEIVABLE.
No bias there.
Thanks very much for the Ping!
“So how do we control Dual citizen presidents who are loyal to foreign countries?”
Don’t vote for them. Of course, Obama is not a citizen of Kenya, and he despises the UK, so the idea that Obama is a loyal subject of the Queen is a fantasy that only the truly insane believe.
Which may be why y’all lose in court even when the other side doesn’t bother to show up...
Keep ignoring WKA & its arguments, and keep getting your butt handed to you in court.
If you ever get tired of being laughed out of court, try showing why WKA doesn’t apply. And no, saying it doesn’t discuss the meaning of NBC is NOT going to help - too many judges know how to read. Seizethecarp has given y’all a hint. I don’t think it will stand up in court, but at least it is something a court can take seriously...
From the Minor decision:
"Before its adoption the Constitution of the United States did not in terms prescribe who should be citizens of the United States or of the several States, yet there were necessarily such citizens without such provision. There cannot be a nation without a people. The very idea of a political community, such as a nation is, implies an [p166] association of persons for the promotion of their general welfare. Each one of the persons associated becomes a member of the nation formed by the association. He owes it allegiance and is entitled to its protection. Allegiance and protection are, in this connection, reciprocal obligations. The one is a compensation for the other; allegiance for protection and protection for allegiance.
For convenience it has been found necessary to give a name to this membership. The object is to designate by a title the person and the relation he bears to the nation. For this purpose the words "subject," "inhabitant," and "citizen" have been used, and the choice between them is sometimes made to depend upon the form of the government. Citizen is now more commonly employed, however, and as it has been considered better suited to the description of one living under a republican government, it was adopted by nearly all of the States upon their separation from Great Britain, and was afterwards adopted in the Articles of Confederation and in the Constitution of the United States. When used in this sense it is understood as conveying the idea of membership of a nation, and nothing more."
Malihi is of Iranian origin. See links on previous page of thread.
they dont care about jindal or rubio, they got their commie in for 4 or 8 years and they are happy commies.
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They will not be truly happy until there is an uninterrupted line of commie presidents and the registered members of Free Republic, along with many others, are off to re-education camp which will only be a way point in our journey to an unmarked grave.
The issue seems to be about having somebody who is ineligible being placed on the ballot in the first place.
Don’t fall for the race card bait.
It’s not a race card bait. If it’s true, it’s true, and if he’s a Muslim, it render him biased. Or relatives in Iran could be threatened, etc.
Facts is facts.
I wasn’t even thinking about the muslim aspect. Most interesting to be sure.
I was thinking about a “naturalized” citizen declaring Obama a “natural born citizen.”
It’s like having a homosexual judge decide the outcome of gay marriage.
Whether it's true or not is irrelevant in today's politics. And unlike Smokeyblue, who commented on his being a naturalized citizen, you went straight to the Muslim angle.
Speculation as to the welfare of family members in a foreign country, if there are any, shouldn't be considered. He is an American citizen now and an elected official. What oath did he swear? To uphold the Constitution? Could an atheist uphold the Constitution?
If his family members choose to live in Iran then it's their choice. Malihi and his immediate family sure got out of Dodge in the past, didn't they?
When was that do you think...when the Shah got ousted?
I’m not saying he ruled treacherously because he’s naturalized, or Iranian. I have no idea why he ruled treacherously. Plus, I do not give a farthing whether “people” think I’m racist/bigoted/etc. People who know me, know me, and people who hate me will keep doing so.
The point to be considered is that he ruled trecherously, the “why” part is not so important; how to fix this nightmare is important.
There are wonderful Iranians, both in the US and in Iran. Just because he’s originally from Iran doesn’t mean he’s automatically evil or anything, just adds an interesting bit of information.
The time to worry about being misconstrued was gone a long, long time ago.
Plus, if Malihi is a Muslim, that is very relevant. Religion should enter the picture, just like it does with Romney. Everything is fair game.
Worrying about what leftists and the MSM think or says is a freaking waste of time. They will make up crap anyway, truth means nothing to them. Prancing around worrying about what those who hate the Constitution say or think is beyond a silly waste of time.
I understand your point but I think you should layoff little jeremiah.
It is an interesting point. I don’t think we can even say for sure he is a muslim. Just speculation.
People have got to stop falling for the battering ram of political correctness. We are told to completely ignore reality.
And by the way, since when did Islam become a race?
Look at what you wrote again...
If it’s true, it’s true, and if he’s a Muslim, it render him biased.
Nothing about naturalized, or Iranian there, is there.
Fuel for the fire and you just threw another log on it whether you wished/intended to or not.
WOW! Where is your head kept?
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