Posted on 02/07/2012 11:38:23 AM PST by Red Steel
>>...Congress and the states passed an amendment declaring, inescapably, what they believed had always been true under the NBC clause...<<
LOL! If the writers of the 14th had wanted to say Natural-Born-Citizen, they could have done so. The example in Article-II existed and was available for plagiarizing. They chose not to and stated quite clearly, “Citizen”.
Nope, the founders had a commonly held definition for NBC and that was born in a country to two citizen parents. They used that term to give additional integrity to the qualifications for President. That was their clear, unarguable intent. That subsequent black-robed scoundrels and politi-sluts have endeavored to twist and pervert the founders intentions does not change their original intent. It simply means that the those black-robed scoundrels and politi-sluts disregarded, disrespected and held no value in the founders original intent. The country is worse off because of it.
So, legalistically you are right. Revel in the smugness of your argument if you like. But you might as well wallow in a pig-sty for all the good it does you.
Simply put, a review of the record in my clients' above -captioned cases reveals no evidence of Defendant's place of birth and no evidence of Defendant's mother's citizenship at the time of Defendant's birth. My clients did not enter into evidence any copy of Defendant Obama's purported birth certificate in these cases.
Damn. I really should have jumped on the "separating birthers from their money" bandwagon a long time ago. It certainly has been quite lucrative to Joseph Farah. And Orly Taitz spends a lot of time sunning on Waikiki beaches.
Maybe these folks aren't so stupid after all.
@Irion and Hatfield conceded that he was born in Hawaii because the Minor 2 citizen parent theory is based on being born in the US. February 04, 2012
Are you having trouble standing on your leg?
It’s okay, that one wears his/her/its obamanoid kneepads regularly.
I meant it more in the manner of “you have no leg to stand on so you take a cheap snipe at others”.
“Nope, the founders had a commonly held definition for NBC and that was born in a country to two citizen parents.”
No. They used natural born subject and natural born citizen interchangeably for a number of years.
“If the writers of the 14th had wanted to say Natural-Born-Citizen, they could have done so.”
Had they done so, there would have been no improvement in understanding. By rephrasing it as they did, they put any attempt by a court to repeat Dred Scott out of reach. In essence, by passing the 14th, they gutted the Dred Scott decision - which used Vattel’s idea instead of the language of the Constitution.
“The real object of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, in qualifying the words, “All persons born in the United States” by the addition “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” would appear to have been to exclude, by the fewest and fittest words (besides children of members of the Indian tribes, standing in a peculiar relation to the National Government, unknown to the common law), the two classes of cases — children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign State — both of which, as has already been shown, by the law of England and by our own law from the time of the first settlement of the English colonies in America, had been recognized exceptions to the fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the country.”
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That may be what WKA says, but we know that interpretation is wrong by going right to the 14th Amendment's source, the Senate Judiciary Committee:
"The provision is, that 'all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.' That means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.' What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof?' Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.Congressional Globe
The DNC has already admitted that Obama was born subject to the British Nationality Act of 1948. Obama owed allegiance to a foreign sovereign at birth.
I respectfully disagree. Please show me in the U.S. Constitution where there are citizenship types classified as “naturalized citizen” and “native citizen”.
You will not find them because they are not there. If they were, they would distinguish their rights as being unique, distinct, and unequal under the Supreme Law of the land (the Declaration of Independence). All Citizens of the United States have the same rights under the Constitution. Natural Born Citizens have all the rights of any Citizen of the United States with the additional privilege of being eligible for the presidency.
Malihi opined, “... none of the testifying witnesses provided persuasive testimony”.
Yet, Obots continue with the meme Plaintiffs testified on behalf of the Defendant after Farrar complained the Defendant has not provided verifiable documentation to his satisfaction the Defendant was eligible for the office he was running for.
Consequently, Malihi ordered Defendant to appear in a pretrial Order and provide evidence he was eligible for the office. Why won’t Obama answer questions under Oath concerning his eligibility?
Is is afraid to answer questions under oath, such as:
1) Have you ever been issued a Passport from a country other than the U.S? If so, which country or countries?
2) When you applied for your SSN with the SSA, were you living in the State of Connecticut or did your legal custodian, located in the State of Connecticut, apply on your behalf? What was the name of your legal custodian in Connecticut?
3) After your 18th birthday, did you attend Occidental College as a U.S. Citizen or foreign national?
4) Are you a foreign national, now, or were you issued a Certificate of Naturalization after you completed the naturalization requirements?
“Do so at your own peril”...wasn’t this from his memo?????? More hot air, talks cheap you friggin coward.
None of this makes sense.
The Zero regime must be using nuclear option or this government is completely hijacked and overthrown and nobody knows it yet.
This unaccountable puppet is being set up to win again and Romney set up for the perfect fall guy. Part of the RINO establishment wants Zero to win (that is squat in the White Hut illegaly again), period.
More and more it’s apparent we are in pre-restoration/revolution times and this blather is all window dressing, a legal charade, political theater; while the ruling class passes NDAA, attempts to regulate the net, it’s various police forces like FBI noting “anti-government extremists”. There’s gonna be a fight folks. Prepare and let’s win.
None of this makes sense.
The Zero regime must be using nuclear option or this government is completely hijacked and overthrown and nobody knows it yet.
Take a careful look at what's being said, here:
Hundreds of millions of U.S. citizens are being held hostage by the threat of a Civil War if anyone dares to successfully challenge Obama's eligibility to be President of the U.S.
What you said.
Hows the 1787 edition you touched and read? Seen it lately?
You know..”natural born citizens are born to citizen parents”.
As I mentioned before, I have not seen it for quite some time. There are so few copies left, the only one I know in existance publically visible is in the Library of Congress.
Has anyone in the D.C. area visited the Library of Congress to review the document?
Keep spittling your crap and maybe your brown eyes will turn blue! ... You already know that if what you claim were true then the founders would not have bothered to state qualification for the office of president as NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, they would have just said citizen, as they use the term in the 14th Amendment, which amendment was written by the guy who stated in Congressional debate that the one class of citizen over which there is no debate is NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.. So back tot he reality and your ridiculous try at limiting everything to what is precisely worded int he Constitution. Agitprop liars like you already know you’re just trying to create confusion. Piddle along now
Knock yourself out, and I wish you luck in your endeavor.
In case you are wondering, I do not believe being born in the United States as being a Natural Born Citizen, so your attack on this premise may be unfounded and a time-wasting exercise.
Bless your little heart, you just can’t seem to get confusion started, can you? Stick to those talking points, poor thing, regardless of what anyone responds. Have Nice Day, agitprop.
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