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To: Marcella
Santorum’s definition of porn is and I don't care and he needs to shut up about this and figure out how this country can stop spending more than they have.

Santorum can't shut up about this stuff because these are the issues that he really cares about. The man is a social values crusader, it's all he has ever really been known for. It is what he is passionate about, what he is most animated over, what he speaks of with absolute conviction.

Nominating Rick would be a disaster precisely because he could never avoid yammering on about rubbers and porn even if his advisers beg him to shut up. Instead of an election about Obama's awful economic decisions, we'd be discussing whether porn should be banned, why contraception is "not okay", why women should consider staying home and having more babies, etc, etc. Hussein would be thrilled to have the election fought over these issues, it would be his dream come true. And if that happens, Obama will win a landslide re-election victory and end up with a mandate far beyond what he had in 2008.

229 posted on 03/15/2012 4:07:27 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969; Jim Robinson

“Santorum can’t shut up about this stuff because these are the issues that he really cares about. The man is a social values crusader, it’s all he has ever really been known for. It is what he is passionate about, what he is most animated over, what he speaks of with absolute conviction.”

I have supported Newt because I believe he is very intelligent and a balanced conservative and has become more socially conservative since leaving office. However, it troubles me greatly that anyone would consider Santorum’s social values to be a “negative” thing. Granted he must be more than just a social crusader - not just for being elected - but for functioning as a POTUS. However, having solid social conservative values first is a PLUS NOT A NEGATIVE. If I didn’t think Newt was socially conservative, he would not have my support.

Now IF the bulk of Newt’s supporters have the same disdain for bonafide social conservatives as you, et. Al. have expressed. Then maybe I shouldn’t be a Newt supporter?

Folks....Social Conservatives make up a substantial part of the Republican Base. IF you drive us off with libertarian nonsense....you just set yourself up to lose again and again. You need us....bottom line. Rick’s stated desire to regulate and possibly diminish internet pornography is not an issue you should be dissing him on. This is NOT “messing with your sex lives.” That is an incredible ignorant thing to say.

I don’t see Newt attacking Rick over his social conservatism. Maybe you should follow his example?

For now, I stick with Newt. However, some of you supporting him should shut up before you drive folks like me away. IF libertarian views are your thing then vote for Ron Paul. True Republicans support all three legs of conservatism. Obviously, candidates each have a leg that is more near and dear to them. Rick is a social and national defense conservative. Newt is more balanced...unless I am reading him incorrectly. Whatever, stop dissing social conservatism....THAT IS A TURN OFF!


231 posted on 03/15/2012 4:34:32 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Longbow1969
The man is a social values crusader, it's all he has ever really been known for. It is what he is passionate about, what he is most animated over, what he speaks of with absolute conviction.

If that's the case, he won't even win the GOP nomination, let alone be able to beat Obama.

This election should be about Obama and taking back Congress from the liberals.
234 posted on 03/15/2012 4:48:07 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Longbow1969; onyx; Gator113

“Nominating Rick would be a disaster precisely because he could never avoid yammering on about rubbers and porn...”

I hope he doesn’t get elected - he needs to go home and write a book about perfection.

I worked on a case that charged a county judge with looking at child porn on the internet. I knew he would not do that and started researching for this case. A Democrat district judge and her cronies wanted to send this man to prison for one picture they called child porn.

This caused me to go to that particular website. That male person was not a child, that person was an adult. The district judge got a law officer to say he “thought it might be a child” and that’s how this county judge got charged with child porn.

I can assure you police types are always searching the internet for child porn and tracing down those who engage in that and that’s a prison sentence for sure.

This research caused me to consider what porn actually is and I went to numerous websites and all “suggestive” websites have a warning that a certain age must be reached before getting on that website. It’s up to parents to decide what their child can see.

If you go to the Playboy website, look at that, is that porn? (There are Playboy magazines everywhere.)

Where does porn start:
1. If an arm is exposed, is that porn?
2. If a leg is exposed up to the knee, is that porn?
3. When does a neckline become a porn neckline?
4. Is a bare shoulder porn?
5. Is wearing one’s hair without a scarf on it, porn?

What is porn for one may not be what is porn for another. I do not want any government telling me what porn is and arresting me if I don’t agree with them.

If you had been in the middle of that case, you would have seen how an innocent man could go to prison very easily and it was Democrats that tried to do that. He was not convicted of child porn as my side debunked that.

All of you should realize when you give the government power, you lose more of your liberty and it doesn’t matter if it’s more power (laws) to Republicans or Democrats. Once the power is there, parties change and that power goes to whichever party is in power.

Never make a law that will hurt you if the other party gets in power - always consider the consequences.


235 posted on 03/15/2012 5:13:41 PM PDT by Marcella (Newt will bash Hussein in debates - Newt needs money.)
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