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Five Ways Conservatives Will Have to Sell Their Souls if Romney Wins
RightWingNews.com ^ | 17 Jan 2012 | John Hawkins

Posted on 04/03/2012 6:49:25 PM PDT by SoConPubbie

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To: SoConPubbie

Republican Candidates could improve their Primary vote count by campaigning with the following idea:

Due to the FHA, Fannie and Freddie Bankruptcies of September, 2008, American home owners lost 30 % of the value of their homes. That is a 30 % cut in just one month. Home values are still down 30 %.

Thus, let us cut the total compensation to all elected Federal politicians, and their staffs by 30 %, and an additional 10 % cut to elected Federal politicians each year until Federal Spending is LESS THAN the average of the previous 2 years of Federal income.

BTW, since slightly less than half of the US House, and 2/3 of the US Senate are Millionaires, it will be a great opportunity for Congress to lead by example that EVERYONE should give up their “fair” share of the American Dream.

What better way can there be to demonstrate that Federal politicians are on the same page as the voters?


161 posted on 04/04/2012 7:54:31 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: SoConPubbie

Go ahead and support Obama. It’s Marxists like your that are ruining this country.


162 posted on 04/04/2012 8:16:15 AM PDT by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: Prole

Thanks. There are a lot of people who hurt the country because of their pettiness.


163 posted on 04/04/2012 8:24:31 AM PDT by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: dinodino

HUH?
The RNC did not award any delegates to Romney.
The VOTERS gave those delegates, to Romney.
I wish the voters had gone for someone else, but they did not.
It is time to:
SHUT UP
GROW UP
SIT DOWN
DEAL WITH IT!


164 posted on 04/04/2012 9:37:52 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Right_in_Virginia
So now you think you speak for God? Wow.

Mormon general authorities say ALL THE TIME that they speak for God...yet that hasn't seemed to phase you in all of your pro-Mormon posts. Why not?

165 posted on 04/04/2012 11:34:52 AM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: cripplecreek; All
Too many people hoping for political salvation that isn't coming. Better to seek personal salvation...

Very well put...a LOT of FREEPERS seeking political salvation from a guy who claims to be a god.

And here we had many FREEPERS pointing to Obama as a "messiah figure."

The pot & kettle need to have a huddle.

166 posted on 04/04/2012 11:37:07 AM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: muleskinner
...post arguments as to why some Christian Freepers would commit a sin if they vote for the Muslim Obama

Obama is a pro-abort socialist -- just like Mitt Romney. And yes, everything I said about voting for Romney applies to Obama.

As for Obama being a Muslim, prove it. Don't just assume it. Prove it.

We all know he has Muslim family ties. We all knows that when he's addressed Muslims personally, he caters to them.

But prove he's a Muslim.

This is why FREEPERs & conservatives have trouble getting traction in the world. They make statements without attempting to back them up. They engage in open gossip, minus attribution.

167 posted on 04/04/2012 11:41:25 AM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Colofornian
Mormon general authorities say ALL THE TIME that they speak for God...yet that hasn't seemed to phase you in all of your pro-Mormon posts. Why not?

Anyone who believes they speak for God is nuts ... including you.

Now go away.

168 posted on 04/04/2012 12:25:08 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Anyone who believes they speak for God is nuts ... including you.

Is this some sort of absolute for you? No man can ever speak for God? No prophets? No witnesses? No evangelists?

Is this the "gospel according to Right_in_Virginia," from Right in VA chapter 3, verse 16?

And, of course, you sound so absolute with your absolute claim on this...why you must be representing some higher power, eh? (Unless, of course, you're that "higher power")

169 posted on 04/04/2012 12:49:24 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Kansas58

Each voter speaks for himself, me and you included. You want Romney? Vote for him. I don’t want Romney, so I will *not* vote for him. You need to SHUT UP, GROW UP, SIT DOWN, AND DEAL WITH IT!


170 posted on 04/04/2012 3:19:24 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: Colofornian

Stop posting to me. Go spam someone else.


171 posted on 04/04/2012 4:35:19 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Once-Ler
There is NO MIDDLE. American political affairs are laid out in the form of a bimodal saddle. Each party is but the center of a pole of affiliations. They have a "fringe" ~ but it's only a very small part of the otherwise highly organized political poles.

Remember, to win in a single member district you must get more votes than anyone else. The best way to do that is to win at least half the vote +1.

That's one of the reasons we tend to have a 50/50 split over long periods of time.

What you have to do is keep your base of voters and peel off an entire faction from the other pole. Going for what you believe to be the middle just doesn't hack it as long as their own coalition party does what they want done and your party is not prepared to deal with.

LBJ won by keeping the Democrat base and peeling off the last of the black Republicans with his promise to wrap up the civil rights law agenda.

Richard Nixon won by keeping the Republican base and pulling in the white Southern Democrats ~ that took him about 6 years of campaigning.

Bill Clinton won twice, as a minority President, by allowing Perot to peel off a small faction of Democrats (essentially the UAW) and a larger fraction of Republicans (who really weren't middle of the road in any way shape or faction).

Barry Goldwater is the fellow who figured this out early on. It didn't help him but he got the major parts of the thesis correct. To wit: Bimodal Saddle, No Middle, To win preserve your own base and attract a functional faction from the other party.

This time the faction to win are UNEMPLOYED YOUTH! Obama ignored them for 5 years. They are winnable. However, you won't win unless you preserve the base of the Republican party, and Romney can't do that.

172 posted on 04/06/2012 5:53:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Once-Ler
Hmm ~ regarding the "backing up" of things, this is a discussion board. Always remember that the other guy may well be smarter than you and he doesn't need to constantly remind you of the COLD HAD FACTS and the chapter and verse of Realpolitik.

So, there you have it ~ I've gone over this point dozens of times going all the way back to the nasty times when Bill Clinton was President.

I just provided you a minor sermon. If you wish I can expand it into pages and pages and pages of detailed discussion of every element.

That's why it's not simply opinion. Yours, BTW, is an unsubstantiated misunderstanding of how politics in America really works. That's not an opinon ~ you are simply wrong.

If you still feel the need for a complete discussion use google.com to look for 'free republic' 'muawiyah' 'bimodal saddle' or 'bi-modal saddle'.

Should be nearly 100 references show up.

173 posted on 04/06/2012 6:00:01 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
I perfectly willing to agree to disagree with you, but you have spent a considerable amount of time responding, and I want you to know I read your post and appreciate the time you spent making your thoughts clear.

I agree with many of your observations, but not as many of your conclusions. There is a middle. About 40% of the USA is conservative and 40% is liberal. Maybe it's 35% or 30%. There is a few percent that is ultra conservative, and a few percent that thought Al "Earth in the Lurch" Gore wasn't green enough for the Green Party and voted for Nader.

In between is 20%, 30%, or 40% who "vote for the man not the party," or vote for the tallest candidate, or the guy who promises them government freebies or government security. Some of these people vote so they can say "I always vote," even though they have no core ideology that motivates them. They vote for the candidate that is most "likable."

These moderate voters are crucial to winning unless both party candidate wage a scorched Earth negative campaign. In those situations moderates often stay home saying "a pox on both parties." Then it is a battle of the bases. IMO usually in a battle of bases the conservatives lose. However, Bush and Rove proved in 2004 that sometime the conservatives can win by playing security/flag burning(Pro-America), anti-homo, and Pro-Life factions.

Time will tell if Romney can win the moderates, but I believe you think Romney can't hold the base...and I think this is where we disagree the most. I don't think FR represents the base. I think Rush, Beck, Hannity, Levin, Coulter, O'Reilly, Dennis Miller, Drudge, and Malkin will all be singing praises to Romney this fall.

The base will come home to Romney. It did for McCain when he picked Palin as a running-mate. Romney doesn't even need a conservative VP pick. McCain had a unknown Obama to run against. Romney has a known commie race-baiter with a failed record to run against.

Just my opinion. Thanx for taking to time to respond.

174 posted on 04/09/2012 2:24:58 AM PDT by Once-Ler (There are two paths! One is America, the other is Occupy!)
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To: Once-Ler
I like some of your suggestions regarding the identity of the theoretical middle.

Still, those folks can still be referenced politically as just another faction ~ and from the party operative standpoint they will be affiliated with the Democrat coalition or the Republican coalition.

The 'tallest man' crowd appear to be apolitical but I'd bet a whole doughnut (not one of those with the diabetic chunk out of it) that it's a phenomenon affecting mostly women, and a short guy could deal with it at some cost (by wearing elevator shoes and always standing on a chair or sitting on a phone book ~ and making sure to NEVER look up).

Regarding the "newsies" they always go for the guy with the used car salesman look, so we should be thankful there are not more of them. They also imagine themselves to be opinion leaders.

175 posted on 04/09/2012 4:24:39 AM PDT by muawiyah
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