Posted on 06/18/2012 9:48:44 AM PDT by Shout Bits
Again, this is nutso ~ you pull one tax of hundreds out of the woodwork ~ the federal personal income tax ~ and you use the statistics there to beat people on the head for not paying taxes.
Does not compute.
Sean Hannity keeps telling us he's not a Republican. Let me say this about him ~ he's a fascist apparatchik and not really a Conservative.
Anyone who wants to expand a tax that was designed to be a very narrowly applied tax IS NOT AN HONEST PERSON either. That's what got us to this problem.
Starve the Beast first!
tax the busninessman for every trip he takes using those miles...
while we're at it, tax every benefit that the richys get to "claim"...every stadium seat paid for by corporate and every lunch, every drink, every prostitute, etc....
they love going after the very few thinks that regular people can deduct...
The deductibility of expenses is exceedingly limited under personal income tax rules ~ and simply treating personal income under the same rules as corporate income or capital gains would probably almost eliminate personal income taxes for the vast overwhelming majority of the population.
I gather that was the original design!
For your info the USSC has ruled that the Money collected by the SS tax is just revenue no different than any other money collect by the government. You are under the false assumption that there is a Social Security debt there is not.
The proceeds of both (the employee and the employer) taxes are to be paid into the treasury like other internal revenue generally, and are NOT earmarked in any way." Helvering v. Davis, U.S. 619, 635 (1937)]
People participating in Social Security payroll deductions do NOT acquire property rights or contractual rights through their payments, as they would if they were paying on an insurance policy or contributing to an annuity plan. Simply put, there are no guarantees! The Congress does have power to deny benefits to citizens even, though they had paid S.S. taxes. Also, the amounts of benefits granted are at the option of Congress. Flemming v. Nestor, 363 U.S. 603, 610 (1960).
The Fifth Amendment has nothing to do with social security.
Just step back away from The Treasury and go on about your business and it will be OK.
(That's called Real Politik)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2897011/posts ~ whatever you think those cases you cited say take a good look at today’s news. The meaning has changed ~
Just step back away from The Treasury booze and drugs and go on about your business and it will be OK.
BTW, some of these cases from 70 years ago are RIPE for modernization. I really don’t think you can get away with stealing Social Security funds.
Social Security is not a contract it is a tax.
Are you serious, they are stealing the future of everyone. It is all just going to collapse just like any other Ponzi scheme.
Yeah, imagine me trying to talk about the most discussed and controversial tax. Who cares about the income tax or that 50% of the population does not pay it?
How dare I have the audacity to point out that the people who do NOT pay it are the loudest screechers against reducing it and for raising it? Those who do not pay their fair share must be punished after all.
Now why don’t you tell me how much of that tax the top 5% of income earners pay for surely I must be mis-informed?
Nice red herring wrt GE too.
The income tax is currently paid by the TOP 50% of income earners and is still disproportionately leveled up a “narrow” segment of tax payers, GE notwithstanding.
All real Americans oppose taxes of any kind and accept them only due to dire necessity.
The federal personal income tax has failed.
Really doesn’t matter now does it. You steal it you’ll pay for your crimes one way or the other. So don’t even think about it.
Please restrict the discussion to the topic your side selected ~ to wit, the federal personal income tax.
While I understand you think you have to slander Hannity at every opportunity even when totally inappropriate, you can save your venom since I don’t listen to or watch the boy. I also don’t know what polls you believe I referred to.
Yeah, we can see how opposed Americans have been to taxes particularly after watching them elect Democrat after Democrat for decades.
Don’t even TRY to tell me that they elected them because they believed they would do anything other than raise taxes on “the rich”. If Americans hated taxes as much as you claim the Democrat Party would not even exist.
Make sure you ping me when the federal government is cut down to such an extent that the income tax can be eliminated for that 50% which actually pays it.
Why not? The tax code is so convoluted anyway, think of all of the non-productive man-hours expended in this country, just because of the complicated tax code.
What the hell are you talking about? The federal income tax is ALL I have talked about. It was you who objected to me talking about it.
BTW when you speak of corporations’ taxes you are really speaking about taxes on individuals as well. Those taxes are passed on to the consumer so all taxes are from the individual consumers.
Arguments to the contrary are never persuasive.
BTW, tax individuals the same as corporations. It'll all come out in the wash.
Or, you could tax corporations the same way you do individuals ~ with no reference whatsoever to profit or loss ~ just a GROSS INCOME TAX.
Anything to make more people pay Income Tax to have skin in the game.
Which tax?
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