Posted on 06/23/2012 7:52:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
an after thought ... what would happen if the entire country seceded from Washington D.C.? Could a more perfect Union be formed?
Which version of the 13th Amendment do you mean, the pro-slavery language Lincoln vigorously endorsed (Corwin amendment), or the one they could only ratify over his dead body?
Your knowledge of history has some very serious gaps.
Did you know about Corwin: No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.
The very existence of this thing disproves the prevailing interpretation of history. It is not the smoking gun, it is the magic bullet itself. A whole version of history lies dead in the corner with Lincoln bent over it.
I would recommend you read the Cornerstone Speech by Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens.
I would recommend you read the Cornerstone Speech by Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens. The contended issues referenced also include: tariffs, disadvantageous and selective support of certain industries and classes of people, and the use of "millions" (real money, back then) from the common treasury for disproportionally regional internal improvements. The sort of people who usually cite this reported version of the speech tend to gloss over those points, if they are even aware of them.
I write "reported version" because what comes to us was not a recording, a stenotype, or even Stephens' notes, but was cobbled together from a report's hasty notes. Stephens himself claimed that the published version of the speech contained many errors, which casts a shadow of doubt over much of it.
Defending slavery was all the Confederacy was about. Without slavery, there would have been no Civil War.
That view was not supported by the very figure to whom you turn.
read the book agree with much of it find they reasonably document the question raised by Judge Hand concerning the 14th Amendment. and it’s constitutionality. Col. John Eidsmoe -in his works concerning our Constitution reference Judge Hand and Jaffree v. Mobile County,1983 ( p.134 n.2 Christian Legal Advisor.,John Eidsmoe Ed. Mott Media ,1984)compare to what the Kennedy’s wrote of the 14th Amendment.
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If we could just keep the socialist northern transplants out. They are the cancer that kills....
Get a clue. There is no comparison there.
So chained to our Northern brethren, 150 years later, the South is to be drug down into a socialist hell hole without a fight, so sayith all of the ball-less statist boot licking Freepers.
You will have to excuse jmacusa he is history challenged.
Well Reb, pick a better country and adios, don’t let the door hit in the ass on the way out!
When the people of a state(s) votes for secession, they become a new country. Get it? Or are you too stupid to understand that simple concept?
But in this country if anyone dare mention secession they are labeled a traitor and should GTHO. You know why that is? It is that way because of statist fascists thugs like you. A cyber spit wad in your face.
Secession is unconstitutional Reb. Might doesn’t always mean right, get it? This was the premise the South used.
Care to show us where in the Constitution it says secession is illegal?
Where does it it say it’s legal? And don’t give me the 10th. Amendment Reb. Ask a constitutional lawyer , I’m going by what they say, the history I’ve been taught. And before you go flapping your jibs about ‘’the government schools’’ Reb, I went to Catholic schools. Make your case for secession. Take it to the Supreme Court Reb. What don’t you do that instead off mouthing off here. Seems to me you and every other Johnny Reb wannabe have done alright so far living in the USA. So you want a new country? Well General Lee, do something about it, make the f’ing news already and lets see who you are, let the whole country get a look at the new secessionist.
Mississippi was not a slave state though until 1995, it was not the last slave state.
Judah P. Benjamin, a great orator and statesman, both before and during the conflict, forced into exile afterwards, died in France and is buried in Pere Lachaise alongside his wife, a Louisiana native who had family ties there. Shameful, imho. Beautiful, historic cemetery filled with famous names in history, though.
"Until we can repopulate Georgia, it is useless to defend it, but the complete destruction of its roads, its buildings, its population and its military resources is essential. The attempt to defend its roads costs us a thousand men every month and brings us no advantages. I can carry out the march and make Georgia howl."
Draw your own conclusions. I know what this letter says and so do you. Just as in all the great purges, the numbers of civilian deaths are concealed for the most part. A guess?
We can tell you how many shoes were used, how many railroad ties destroyed, but there are no civilian death figures. Odd, isn't it? Like Obama's transcripts, we have a number for every round spent, but nothing on the people. Search for yourself. The most used number I have seen is between 20 and 30 thousand. Anywhere from 85 to 350 thousand total deaths in the war - fought exclusively in the south, I'm guessing most were southerners. Tough to get numbers from someone who doesn't want to give them up and we all know the south was left with looted mercilessly. I suppose dearth from starvation after nothing was left behind was quite high. You probably knew all this anyway, though, huh?
“End of discussion. Without slavery, there would have never been a Civil War.”
Yes, it’s obvious. It took years to write the Emancipation Proclamation and the way the north prepared to care for all the freed slaves they were trying to save was really touching.
Please. The war was damn near lost by the eastern elites before they turned it into something else. It could have been global warming if Algore was there.
If it weren’t for the progressives, there would have been no civil war. It was sinking under its own weight all over the world and would have disappeared entirely in a decade, leaving the south with WAY too much power and the north knew it. The red herring of slavery was the green movement of its day. Shifting power and wealth and stripping freedom from people isn’t easy. The war wasn’t quite as easy as the north thought either. That’s because their “cause” was bullshit and everybody knew it and most of them Didn’t CARE.
Robert E. Lee was the best military mind we ever saw. He was offered command of the northern armies. He knew its abilities and strengths. Would he have turned it down and voluntarily fought a war against an army three times his size with an endless stream of manufacturing might behind it if not forced to? No. Absolutely not.
The war was pushed by the eastern establishment and the progressive agenda...read their platform planks...jeebus, this is crazy talk. What next, Sherman was forced to do it?
The naivete on this subject is stunning. And it is still about today;
Usurpation of Federal power, abrogation of States Rights and commercial (financial) freedom...
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