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To: Spaulding
Fred, the exchange of votes will accomplish the task, and invalidate the election

As I made clear, this is possible. What is NOT possible is to lose votes (which we did) via fraud. And what is much more difficult than the conspiracy theorists realize is manufacturing votes on election day (which the enemy did.)

However, looking at the exit polling Demographics, and the preliminary who-voted-where precinct counts, it's pretty clear that contrary to our expectations, 0bama actually turned out his base. It was, after all is said and done, a base -- and therefore turnout -- election, and ours is shrinking.

Finally, you and I must agree to disagree about absentee ballot counting. I don't know where these are counted by SEIU. I've heard this repeated several times on FR. To my knowledge, this is untrue. In my state (PA) they are counted at the same time the other votes are counted: when the polls close, and by the same people: the election judge and his clerks, and they are counted in public before representatives of both parties. Those are usually lawyers, picked by their respective parties. And they aren't people who can be intimidated.

There's fraud. I don't dispute that. But if you think we lost this election because of fraud, expect to keep using that excuse, because we are going to keep losing elections as long as people believe that.

96 posted on 11/08/2012 4:45:40 PM PST by FredZarguna (I'm sorry, General Washington. We owed you and the men at Valley Forge so much more than this.)
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To: FredZarguna
Fred, different states probably count absentee ballots using different protocols. In California they are counted by SEIU employees. Presumably, observers are permitted, though only a few are lawyers here, perhaps because the Republicans are so weak. In my district the observers were thwarted by SEIU employees who blocked the view of the ballots, and who enforced no talking rules in the counting room. Nevertheless, I have seen a local election, counted by the SEIU, overturned by a persistent candidate who forced a hand recount. This county did have marked paper ballots, which somehow, remained intact. Perhaps, as Fred pointed out, because there was a total count. The clue was voters registered as Republicans, and who voted straight Republican tickets except for this school board presidency. Counts were undeniably falsified, but too few have the means to fight the fraud. This battle took over a year, and a few hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees. The margin was not small. Local counting a paper ballots would have obviated the need for that battle. Nationwide, the probably fraudulent election of a Marxist has cost trillions, and will cost trillions more, and perhaps our freedoms in the bargain.

Adding votes is common. Look at all the precincts in Ohio with more votes than registered voters. Subtracting votes is also easy, because of absentee ballots. Many have dismissed the “conspiracy theories” related to voter fraud. Those are people who don't understand how completely vulnerable our voting system is. With no audit trail the best we can do is surmise, based upon polling or perceived enthusiasm, that something is not right. Verification is not possible. That is a crime.

As I mentioned in an earlier note, I have many relatives in Israel, many who were raised as communists and still subscribe to socialism. When Israel's very liberal News source, Haaretz reports that 89% of Israeli residents, US citizens, have reportedly voted for Romney, people who often spend half the year in the US, the reports of 69# of American Jews supporting Obama make no sense. American Jews are more religious than Israeli Jews, and they know that Christians are among their most important supporters. Our voting system has become a political tool. Obama’s early activities in politics were as a Project Vote trainer. These people know our voting systems inside and out. With so many vulnerabilities, and such secrecy around the process, it is foolhardy to assume honest elections.

Again, I designed auditable systems with which the FDA inspectors often found fault. I looked around my precinct and asked a few questions. The vulnerability was so flagrant that it would hard to tell where to begin. The scanner was connected to the Internet - fail! People working on government projects, government employees or not, may not be connected to the Internet. Was there local memory, flash perhaps in the scanner? No one knew. District employees would retrieve the scanners after the election - fail!

To some these may seem like small issues. For any kind of security these are fatal flaws, which could be addressed by local counts, trust placed in citizens who care about their neighbors, and secure paper ballots. Without that one must assume “conspiracies” because there is no way to learn the intent of those for and by whom this government was created.
This will show as people sense, correctly, that this government has a different agenda. The Constitution, our framers, insisted that our president be born to parents whose sole allegiance was to our Constitution. Our parties and our media decided that was not longer a relevant provision in today's world. Because of that we are losing our freedoms, and the myth of a voting system that reflects the will of the people is just that - a myth.

99 posted on 11/08/2012 10:08:56 PM PST by Spaulding
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