Posted on 11/11/2012 8:55:29 PM PST by SquarePants
You’re an arrogant pharisee to use a word that basically no one knows so that you look as well educated as... a pharisee. My representation was not an unfounded assumption, and many christian evangelical scholars hold the same view. What you COMPLETELY ignore is the intent of the investigation, which is not so much to show that the bible does not uphold fetal life holds less value than adult human life (which it does), but that it holds it to some particular relatively high value. It certainly holds it to a value higher than a vulture’s egg. But in your pharisaical urge to make some “exegetical” point, you strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.
So... we’re all very impressed that you know big words and have such high pretension to biblical knowledge. But your knowledge has puffed you up, like the bible says.
Angry males >>>
angry males? I’ve never met one, this is right out of the democrat playbook, try again.
actually, it’s the females who appear to be angry, very angry, almost hysterical, just listen to hillary when she was campaigning, the liberal females are at war with men, with boys in school (read the book “the war against boys”), and with pro-life people (both male and female). You should join the democrat party, I think you would fit right in with the angry females.
which is not so much to show that the bible does not uphold fetal life holds less value than adult human life (which it does),
If I am understanding your meaning correctly, the Bible most certainly does not hold fetal human life as less value than adult human life, and the greatest evidence of that fact is that Jesus Christ Himself was once a pre-born child.
Have you not read what the prophet Jeremiah wrote? ""Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
If you are going to represent what the Bible teaches on some subject you ought to make very sure you are doing so accurately. If saying so makes me arrogant and a puffed up pharisee in your eyes, so be it.
Cordially,
From the same passage in scripture,
17 “Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.
20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
26 “An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye. 27 And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth.
It is clear that slaves were worth less than freemen. Some human beings are worth less than others. And it is also clear from history that Jews took things seriously and codified the “eye for an eye” stuff, all at the same time attributing less value to fetuses than full-grown humans, even to the point of being pro-choice.
Let’s say, for the sake of discussion, that you are right and the passage means that a baby who can survive a premature delivery due to a violent accident has full “eye for an eye” rights. It only reinforces what I said about Tier1 pregnancies and abortions. That says nothing about nonviable preborn humans and that is why the jewish Mishnah is pro-choice.
The way to save millions of lives is to accept the common interpretation of scripture and proceed from it. You won’t get pro-choicers to accept the extension of protection for life onto preborn, unviable babies if you insist on the backend that practitioners are murderers. But you will get them to accept that a human preborn life is worth more than a vulture embryo. You would save lives that way. But perhaps you prefer to stay stuck in being a pharisee and arguing the smaller points.
I’m not pro-life because I’m Catholic. I’m pro-life because babies are defenseless individuals who need protection from those who enable murder for convenience.
Unfortunately a lot of times the male is one of the reasons for the abortion. "Get an abortion or I'm leaving."
And millions of people would not vote for pro-abortion Republican politicians. My mom, girlfriend, and myself for starters. Joe Schwarz never got my vote.
It's not about any of us. It's about the babies.
If you think this reasoning will change votes among the vaginacentric you’re pissin’ in the wind. LBJ set the groundwork for the present electorate by making government daddy. And here’s some bad news for you, it’s too damn late to turn it around. The young want government to run their lives and they have no love for liberty which they confuse with license. They’ll reap what they’ve sown and I don’t much care.
True, but at least he was involved in the “decision”. I simply cannot buy into this notion that once conception exists, the decision is totally on the woman, should she choose to have it that way. Yes, weed out the dirt bags who could care less; those are not the situations I am concerned about. If the mother can unilaterally decide to abort while the father wants to keep, that is not right. Males/females were designed for basic purposes. When one can take that from the other, it is not right.
The big choice the guys need to make is to find the right lady. Some of that's easy for good guys. Don't sleep with married women to start with. If I cave into temptation and end up being in an unplanned situation, both my girl and I were raised a certain way. It would be time for me to buy a ring and man up. That's what she'd expect and what both our families would expect. Abortion wouldn't even be considered and I'd probably be shot, slapped, and kicked to the curb if I even suggested it (which I wouldn't).
Agreed! The bigger issue is abortion. It should not be allowed but for some limited exceptions. That’d solve many problems.
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