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To: Daveinyork

Class warfare from the right? I’m a retired Federal employee who worked his ass off to earn that pension. I worked, testing and developing weapons and explosives, and even counter measures to foreign weapons and explosives, risking life and limb every time we made a shot. You lump every tax paying employee, including retired military of abusing the system. You’re no better than zero with your class warfare.


18 posted on 01/03/2013 11:43:17 AM PST by gunner03
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To: gunner03

People in the private sector work their asses off to pay your pension, and try to survive on what’s left over, and most of us can’t retire and live anywhere near the level of retired government employees. most of whom made more money, and got better benefits in their working years than did private sector employees.

If you live in the north, and you winter in florida, skip the postcard to your working friends who are stuck in the snowy north. At the very least, you may have to watch their cookouts over your fence, in lieu of being invited.

A retired public school teacher, who was a client of mine, used to call me when the weather was cold here in PA, just to tell me that he just got off the beach in Ft. Myers. If he wasn’t a client, the ice ball might have been tempting.


24 posted on 01/03/2013 11:58:33 AM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: gunner03; Daveinyork
"Class warfare from the right?...I’m a retired Federal employee who worked his ass off to earn that pension. I worked, testing and developing weapons and explosives, and even counter measures to foreign weapons and explosives, risking life and limb every time we made a shot...You’re no better than zero with your class warfare."

"Class war?" That's pretty funny.

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Fat, commie/fascist sturgeons of debt/revenues won't be fighting against impoverished members of the private sector tomorrow, though. They'll go after the loot, instead--after each other.

So sure, now that the political/regulator class (big, fat debt/revenues in, little droppings of debt/revenues out) is all stocked up on tacticool weapons and ammunition, maybe the same class will institute violations of our Second Amendment.

But I would advise against violating any of our constitutional freedoms, especially during economic hard times caused by over 30 years of government-linked global interests colluding with foreign communist nations and with their regulator friends in government of all levels. Hard working, technically inclined men know that there are more ways to skin a cat than the vain, socialist political/regulator class could imagine.


31 posted on 01/03/2013 12:53:11 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: gunner03
"I worked, testing and developing weapons and explosives, and even counter measures to foreign weapons and explosives, risking life and limb every time we made a shot."

I disagree about risk, BTW. There's nothing more boring than a demo range of any kind. ;-)

Anyway, have fun. Enjoy the economic slide.


37 posted on 01/03/2013 1:07:49 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: gunner03

“I’m a retired Federal employee who worked his ass off to earn that pension. I worked, testing and developing weapons and explosives, and even counter measures to foreign weapons and explosives,”

Well stated. Some simpletons opine that only the private sector are makers, and that all government employees are takers, making nothing. In some big ways, that can often be true. And government does indeed create a lot of jobs which nobody would notice or miss if they vanished. On the other hand, i have a friend who is a successful real estate broker.

And in truth, he actually “makes” nothing, except for a service. A service is a product, until you remember that his industry has busily convinced the government to protect them with silly licensing legalities. You an expert in the local market, and a local attorney decide to partner up and be the best home sellers in the area, and the AG’s office will swoop in with raid jackets and search warrants. They will arrest you, and seize your assets.

Same with florists in Louisiana where you need to complete an apprenticeship to get licensed. (only licensed people can arrange flowers there)
Plumbers are another. It really, seriously, isn’t rocket science, but they use government to prevent competition.
Same with construction contractors. Want to start advertising that you will paint houses? Better not do it unless you spend a few years working for a paint contractor, take a class, pay a government fee and pass a licensing test.

I notice how some “private sector” afficianados who justifiably get angry over union and government employment excesses, never seem to bitch very much about how their industries happily use government connections to raise barriers -solely- designed to protect THEM from competition and the free market. Galts Gulch would be free of such obnoxious government licensing scams to protect pet industries, right? Anyone there could sell a house, cut hair, fix a leaky pipe, etc. They would only count on their skills! And maybe, some specialist would show up with skills like arriving fast, and performing emergency medicine for a heart attack or accident. They might decide that it was worth paying someone skilled to protect them, their loved ones, and their property as they slept. The lazy would not be wanted or valued. Each day they would need to remember that they worked for people who found them valuable enough to pay them, and act accordingly.

But here in the real world, we pay “private sector” types two or three times the price to have furniture moved, a house painted or sold, or flowers delivered to a funeral, because they could not survive a free market. Consumer protection? LOL Whats the risk? A petunia in with the daiseys? A drip of paint makes it to the carpet or they miss a spot? Furniture is scratched? Yeahhhh, that kind of thing -never- happens with pros, and when it does, they cheerfully make you whole again!/

Anyway, a lot of us out here are not happy supporting free market competition types, who can never seem to stray to far from the government nipple. The lines between makers and takers are not always decided simply by asking “private or government”.


40 posted on 01/03/2013 1:22:20 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: gunner03

You may well have earned it, but it was paid in confiscated money—hours upon hours of people’s lives stolen by the state. Government work is non-productive in that it is not based on a voluntary transfer by those who are stuck paying for it. Now if it were fee for service or subscription based, maybe. But you have to understand that your pension is being paid by many who will never have one themselves. They not only have to earn and save and invest to provide for themselves, but they have to do it for you as well. Or else. I don’t mean this as a slam, just a private sector perspective.


90 posted on 01/04/2013 10:24:54 PM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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