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To: Mr Rogers
No. The equivalent French term was ‘sujets naturel’, as was normally used in legal documents to translate both NBS & NBC.

It's two words. Each is translated separately. In 1781, the framers translated 'naturel' to be natural-born.

The mistranslation of Vattel took place in 1797, 10 years after the Constitution.

The 1797 translation FIXED the previous translation which was bad.

It was only cited in WKA to show the Slaughterhouse decision included a wrong phrase, one that the court had NOT thought out before writing - as Minor did not bother to think things thru before calling Vattel common law.

The "wrong phrase" had nothing to do with the Minor decision. The Minor decision was binding so Gray had to figure out a way to work around it because Wong Kim Ark was CLEARLY not a natural-born citizen.

By the way, thanks for pointing out the the Minor definition of NBC is based on Vattel. You're arguing against yourself again. Good job there. Second, don't be an idiot on the use of the term common law. Blackstone in his commentaries referred to the Law of Nations as common law.

At no time does WKA cite Minor as evidence about the meaning of NBC.

Wrong. He explained how the Minor decision determined that the 14th amendment does NOT say who shall be natural-born citizens. And then he gives the holding based on Minor being born to citizen parents.

You CAN'T get around this. You've admitted this is based on Vattel, so that proves the Minor court REJECTED English common law in defining NBC, and the WKA decision AFFIRMED the Minor decision. Calling it a "screw-up" doesn't explain why the Minor court insisted on using this definition or why WKA says affirms that Minor was born to citizen parents. My guess is that these courts were respecting Marshall's citation of this Vattel passage in The Venus, but they wisely corrected the translation to say natural-born citizens.

1,521 posted on 03/15/2013 11:18:30 PM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919

“You’ve admitted this is based on Vattel, so that proves the Minor court REJECTED English common law in defining NBC, and the WKA decision AFFIRMED the Minor decision.”

No. The Minor court, which did NOT investigate the meaning of NBC, screwed it up. It didn’t matter too much, because it was a VOTING RIGHTS CASE, not a citizenship one. WKA did not, in any way, affirm the Minor court’s use of NBC, and spent half the decision showing it was WRONG.

Edge, you are a fruitcake. You are not sane. But I’ve posted the full quotes, so if anyone sane IS reading this thread still, they will know the truth - something you are incapable of recognizing.


1,526 posted on 03/16/2013 7:50:15 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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