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To: 4Zoltan
Now that I see you posting again, I'll point out that you never responded to this post I made.

Speaker of the House of Representatives, Langdon Cheves, February 1814:

Perpetual allegiance, said he, is alleged to be founded on natural law, the positive law of nations, or the municipal law of each state. We wil examine each; and the first the law of nature. In this view we are able to discover but two principles or pretences on which the duty of perpetual allegiance is affirmed, or the right of expatriation denied. --These are, the necessities of the state and the gratitude of the subject. These are the only grounds stated by Vattel, to whom alone I shall refer as my authority for positions of natural and national law, because I can refer to no better authority, the more especially as on the points for which I shall use him, I believe he agrees with all other writers.

"The children have a natural attachment to the society in which they are born: being obliged to acknowledge the protection it has granted to their fathers, they are obliged to it in a great measure for their birth and education. … We have just observed that they have a right to enter into the society of which their fathers were members. But every man born free, the son of a citizen, arrived at years of discretion, may examine whether it be convenient for him to join in the society for which he was destined by his birth."

Bear in mind, this is the same Langdon Cheeves who Along with Justice William Johnson produced the proof that James McClure was a "Citizen."

51 posted on 11/15/2013 4:53:55 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Sorry I never responded before I guess I missed it.

I don’t think it changes what I’ve said in the past, there was not unanimity of thought on citizenship and its origins. There are those who followed Vattel and those who followed the Common Law.

St George Tucker versus Oliver Ellsworth (who was at the Constitutional Convention)

James Madison (who was at the Constitutional Convention) versus James Jackson

William Rawle versus Judge Roberts

In a lot of ways, the debate over citizenship parallels the debate over expatriation.


52 posted on 11/18/2013 10:45:56 AM PST by 4Zoltan
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