[okie01]

There wasn't much else they could do. The lat time we did this it ended badly.

Of course, it's going to end badly -- when your leadership is afraid to stand their ground.

Of course, there isn't much else you can do -- when your leadership has already said that they'll cave before a government shutdown.

Of course, you can't win -- if your leadership has already given up.

This whole affair has made it crystal-clear that the GOP leadership is worse than useless.

At the same time, it has revealed that the majority of the Republican caucus in both the House and the Senate is either with the Tea Party -- or afraid of us.

[amnestynone]

This whole affair has made it crystal-clear that the GOP leadership is worse than useless.”

That much we agree on. But, The Dem’s with thier help of th media will out maneuver us for sure. We need a majority and then we can do things. But, if we do something stupid we won’t get that.