Posted on 05/30/2014 10:48:24 PM PDT by dignitasnews
Had they managed to get it to happen, they might have tossed it anyhow. They knew what they were doing.
Some people idolize law.
It is infinitely more realistic to recognize when law has become an ass, and seek to correct it as one has to correct an ass, if need be.
This sort of thing has come up, such as the family that gave three kids Aryan nation names whose children were ultimately taken away from the parents.
The bakery refused to make a birthday cake for a 3 year old with swastikas.
Quite so. They were not covered by special “civil rights” rules either for that purpose.
Law has gotten perverted, and for a smug mouth to parrot that perverted law back to us is to hire itself out to Satan. We already know there is no salvation in law. How about the Lord?
It seems to me that if the courts would just stay out of much of this stuff,the problem just might go away on it’s own. Ruling in discrimination situations can be a bottomless pit. Supposing Safeway decided to find me discriminatory when they find out I drove clear across town to buy my groceries elsewhere? Let’s just suppose I refuse to do business with a store/chain who has publicly expressed their support for certain groups of people & I don’t agree with their expressed opinions. This would or could get into a never-ending mess & I think court systems have more pressing problems.
Would a muslim baker produce a custom cake that said “Jesus is the Son of God”?
Would an atheist bake a custom cake with a verse from Psalm 14:1 “ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.”
time for some expanded “public accommodation” test cases
There’s a point where, and the article makes this clear, where normal business operations cross the line into “art”, which is a form of protected expression.
Run of the mill baked goods don’t really cross that line. Specialties such as wedding cakes do. The baker has every Constitutional right to refuse to produce art that he disagrees with. To compel him do so is both a violation of the 1st Amendment AND the 13th’s prohibition on involuntary servitude.
Would an atheist bake a custom cake with a verse from Psalm 14:1 “ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.”
time for some expanded “public accommodation” test cases
That is actually a very good question.
What if a couple of Christians walk into a bakery run by an atheist and pro-gay rights baker and wants to have a special sheet cake made for their anti-gay marriage rally? The cake would have Bible quotes on it and perhaps something like “Homos Are Evil”. And what if that baker told the Christian, “Sorry, I don’t want to make that cake, you need to go to another bakery shop”.
I’d like to think the Christians would do just that; go find another baker who is more than happy to decorate their cake as they want it, a Christian baker or even another baker was also an atheist and pro-gay marriage but quite frankly doesn’t care and was more than happy to make whatever they wanted and happy to take their money. And that’s what the gay couple should have done IMO.
But somehow I think that wouldn’t necessarily be the case.
I can see the headlines now posted on FR: “Christians Discriminated Against For Their Beliefs”, “Christians Refused Service”, “The War on Christianity Continues”, “Boycott This Anti-Christian Baker And Put Him Out Of Business”.
Personally I do not think that a Christian baker should be forced to make a wedding cake for a gay wedding if that conflicts with his religious beliefs. I don’t think any privately owned business should be forced by the government to accommodate and serve customers that they don’t want to serve for whatever or any reason.
That would include things that run contrary to my personal principals like refusing to serve people because of their race or gender, political affiliation, etc.
Should an anti-gun rights baker be forced to make a cake decorated with AK47’s for a gun range? Can a Muslim tow truck driver refuse to tow a car driven by a single scantily clad woman because that conflicts with his religious beliefs? Should a Jewish kosher deli be forced to make a ham sandwich? Can a BBQ restaurant owned by a black couple, refuse to seat and serve white people?
At the end of the day, if I’m going to be consistent, I’d have to say yes. But understanding this, I also have to accept that perhaps one day I’m going to be refused service.
Had he refused them service in general, that is one thing. He said he would sell them anything else, he just balked at the “custom order.” You seemed to miss the point. So, Ill pose you the question.....should a gay printer be forced to take and order to create a 100 foot banner that says “Homosexuality is a sin before God.” Should a black painter be forced to accept a contract to paint a portrait of a KKK leader? That is the point.
I dont see this so much as a gay/straight issue, rather as a matter of the state dictating the work that a craftsman must accept.
It was all about the "product" that the baker did not make in the first place. Never had made one, and refused to be browbeaten into creating something he never would.
He had no problems with serving gay customers, so the issue of "public accommodation" is NOT even on the radar.
I am starting to really dislike gay people.
I had gotten to where I just didn't care.
But this kind of blatant harassment has no place in our society.
And yes it is as disgusting as anything the fascists and communists did.
Civil Rights Commissions?
Unaccountable to anyone?
Abolish. NOW!
Colorado - currently civil unions allowed. Gay marriage not far behind ...
Whatever, I’m not taking the bait
Agreed!! It is fascism, no other way to describe it.
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