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1 posted on 09/19/2014 1:07:43 PM PDT by jfd1776
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As it turned out, "No" prevailed, with a solid 55-45 result...

45% of the near total population is far from "solid."

45% of that massive vote is kinda pizzed right about now.

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2 posted on 09/19/2014 1:15:18 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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Sadly, our current “leaders,” Democrat and Republican alike, have pretty much pi$$ed away everything the Founders established.


3 posted on 09/19/2014 1:16:34 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Rope. Tree. Politician. Some assembly required.)
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Eventually it will happen.


4 posted on 09/19/2014 1:22:19 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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So, will we cheer when Texas secedes?


5 posted on 09/19/2014 1:22:58 PM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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It could be argued that the “salon” of Jefferson, Madison, Jay, et. al. constituted a conclave of the greatest social minds in history. The French Revolution had its thinkers too, but they were so overwhelmed by their reactionary/revolutionary sentiments that they forfeited their reason. The Founders were never guilty of such consuming emotionalism, and the results speak volumes.


6 posted on 09/19/2014 1:51:42 PM PDT by IronJack
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What was most interesting to me was the voter turnout for Thursday’s referendum: a record 84.5 percent, according to the Guardian. It’s the biggest turnout in the U.K.

Most U.S. city elections have a less that 20% voter turnout. It's a "rule by those who bothered to blast themselves off the sofa to vote."

I've voted "absentee ballot" for 40 years. I can mail it in.

9 posted on 09/19/2014 2:49:48 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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That's what was wrong about the Scottish bid for independence; it was doomed to fail from its inception. Not the least of reasons being that it was really nothing more than a delusional hard-left socialist temper tantrum.

1. Doing it the right way would have meant that the Scottish Parliament would have held its own non-binding resolution to declare independence before any sort of polity vote would have been calendared.

2. Next would have meant a genuine declaration of independence, listing all the grievances against Westminster that compelled Scotland to break free in addition to Scotland's future goals and aims -- no matter how abstract.

Here's the problem:

1. Many members of the Scottish Parliament seemed rather astonished that Scotland resoundingly rejected the resolution on independence. Certainly took Mr. Salmond by surprise. So many MPs probably thought it was in the bag until their own constituency told them 'No'. I suppose they thought they never needed to poll their own voting base beforehand to see if independence was popular, much less holding their own Parliamentary vote on it before revealing it to the people. It makes one wonder who the Scottish MPs really represent. Maybe they should all resign like Mr. Salmond, or at least hold new elections. This wasn't just 'No' for independence, this was an equal 'No' to how they're being represented by many of their MPs, by and large.

2. The 'Yes' campaign didn't even know what they were for. I'd been educating myself on the 'Yes' position for over a month learning all I can, and I still couldn't understand where they got the ideas they had. I'm dubious that they could have articulated their position in a declaration of independence. If they had, quite a lot of their claims could have been scrutinized as judged demonstrably false. Maybe that's why they never bothered to write anything down and instead just threw up a website full of utopian agitation propaganda where imaginary SNP cartoon characters live.

This entire spectacle really only served to make almost 45% of Scottish people look really dumb. Oh, the absurdities I'd heard in the last three weeks I spent there just before the vote: "In ten years of North Sea oil profits going to Scotland rather than the rUK, Glasgow will look like Dubai!".

Just stupid. They really believed themselves to be the biggest contributors to the United Kingdom rather than the UK's net welfare recipients.

10 posted on 09/19/2014 3:34:17 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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The author doesn’t realize that dependence on GB is probably why they are a welfare state. Independence could lead them out.


11 posted on 09/19/2014 3:38:04 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Conservatives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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