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To: Belteshazzar
Decent of you to reveal your true agenda: Bash Martin Luther’s reputation in order to advance the Catholic Church’s. You might want to contemplate Luke 18:9-14. You should even be able to find it in your Roman Missal, since it is a lesson intended to be understood and lived.

Martin Luther was a wicked man who hated the Jews and plotted their death like Haman. It seems to me anyone personally invested in the man Martin Luther is going to experience cognitive and spiritual dissonance trying to rehabilitate his reputation.

50 posted on 10/09/2014 5:23:44 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
plotted their death like Haman

Haman had secular power, you know like the Catholic church as it practiced its AS.

Seriously though, your faux outrage at Luther over his anti-semitism is getting old. You hate Luther, got it. But you apparently don't hate AS unless Luther did it. Luther is dead, the historically AS RC lives on.

rehabilitate his reputation.

He has no need of it, Lutheranism is based on the Bible and the Book of Concord, not Luther.

It seems to me

Sure does, talk about dissonance.

51 posted on 10/09/2014 6:41:16 PM PDT by xone
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To: af_vet_1981

af_vet_1981 wrote:

“It seems to me ...”

Indeed, and therein lies the problem.

My directing you to your own missal seems to have touched a nerve.

Also, it is instructive to hear you pronounce the judgment of wickedness on Martin Luther. Does it not occur to you that our Lord specifically commanded his disciples not to judge the hearts of others? He told His disciples that such judgment is reserved to God alone ... alone. Do you not hear him?

Did Luther murder anyone? Did he hold any office that was so empowered to take the life of anyone, and can you show that he did indeed do so? Did he have anyone burned at the stake? Sir, you ought not go here for reasons that many others who read FR threads will recognize even if you do not. You either do not know what you are talking about - and that is the charitable view (I choose to take) - or you do not care that you are acting directly contrary to the will of Him who alone is head of the Church and Savior of all. Do you not hear?

There, I have abided by the rules of FR vis-a-vis you.

Oh, by the way, I am not “personally invested in the man Martin Luther.” I am, however, invested in the one mediator between God and man, the man Jesus Christ, and that entirely by grace, for He first invested Himself in me ... and, yes, also in you. Do you not hear?

God be merciful to me a sinner.


52 posted on 10/09/2014 7:08:57 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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