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To: LeoMcNeil

“Who is Gruber to determine whether others have made the right purchase of supplemental health insurance?”

In a nutshell, THIS is the sickness that is the liberal mind. What is it about these special pukes that allows them to believe THEY have all the right answers and that THEY know better than every body else? And most important, in this context, why is it they believe that simply because they think “correctly” they will forever dwell on the side that makes decisions for all the rest of us?

It’s sort of the embodiment of “too smart by half.” These people are so full of themselves it somehow never occurs to them that there are other liberals out there who believe they are smarter or entitled to rule than the Grubers of the world. And by the same sanctimonious, elitist-think that Gruber used to put “stupid Americans” on the other side of his “who gets to rule?” equation, Gruber could be sitting on the outside looking in.

These people are sick, Obamunist scum whose only talent is to take from the producers to create wealth for themselves while tossing a few coins to the poor whom they claim to champion.

This must stop now. Now is the time for the new champions of liberty to rise up, reclaim the torch lit by Washington, Jefferson, Madison, et al. and defeat these evil, liberal tyrants.


3 posted on 11/19/2014 5:23:33 AM PST by Lee'sGhost ("Just look at the flowers, Lizzie. Just look at the flowers.")
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Clearly---Gruber was handed the Marxist dream plan FIRST. Then Obama bribed money-hungry Gruber w/ $400,000 hefty tax dollars to invent a healthcare model so that he, and lock-stepping Dems, could sell it to gullible Americans.

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THE GOVT CONSPIRACY UP-CLOSE:

<><> At a July 23, 2009 town hall, Obama described the healthcare conspiracy thusly----he explained that the "Cadillac tax" (invented by Gruber) was intended to target health plans that spend unnecessarily and excessively, thus driving up health care costs (such as the $25,000 healthcare union benefit).... "that's a lot more expensive and a lot fancier than the one that even members of Congress get, " Marxist Obama griped.....rushing to the defense of Big Govt.

<><> By 2018, the colluders had decided to switch gears----lock-stepper Gruber was saying just the opposite. That those who object to the Cadillac tax (those dratted Republicans) will be obligated to figure out how to come up with the trillion dollars that repealing the tax will take from the U.S. Treasury, or risk significantly adding to the national debt....exactly what Obama told voters in 2009 he had "taken off the table."....

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REALITY CHECK: The Cadillac tax was part of the Obama/Gruber/Big Govt conspiracy designed: (1) to destroy insurance companies......targets of Progressive unending hatred, and, (2) to deny end-of-life care to the elderly......deplored by Progressive Marxists.

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Progressive Democrat Gruber achieved every single one of the odious Marxist dicta. The preening, duplicitous Gruber---the embodiment of cockamamie far-left thinking---believed it was his moral duty to lie, deceive and collude w/ the US govt......so that these revolting ideas could be imposed on "sub-mental defectives' taking up valuable space in their Utopian America.

Loyal foot-soldier Gruber, in obeisance to the Marxist dream, invented mechanisms to serve Obama's Marxist obsession w/ wealth transfer---as candidate Obama told Joe the Plumber---his plan was to redistribute the wealth:

(1) throwing Americans off affordable health plans
while assuring them they could "keep their plans,"

(2) nationalizing 1/6 of the US economy,

3) installing IPAB's (healthcare rationing),

(4) decimating intergenerational transfers of wealth a longtime Progressive bugaboo;
via Obamacare, grandma/pa's holdings go to the govt---not to you,

(5) pulling $750 billion out of Medicare (another Progressive irritant---giving the elderly healthcare),

(6) drug-rationing---death panels,

(8) outright abandoning seniors and the chronically ill,

(9) transferring wealth from healthy young Americans to subsidize healthcare for others.

Obama organized Democrats into a lock-stepping cheerleading squad to force the Progressive Poison down the throats of recalcitrant Americans.

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Vladimir Lenin / 1945 pamphlet

“Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.”

4 posted on 11/19/2014 5:33:40 AM PST by Liz (Another Clinton administration? Are you nuts?)
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To: Lee'sGhost

I think that part of the problem with someone like Gruber is that he’s an economist addicted to numbers. Thus he decides, based on the numbers from models he creates, that people are making irrational or wrong choices. The problem with that is that he doesn’t take into account human factors, such as personal satisfaction, that play into every purchase people make.

Back in the day the Soviets couldn’t figure out why Americans needed to choose from so many dishwashers. The communists made one dishwasher (or name your appliance) for everyone to buy. Presumably this was the “best” dishwasher, the most economical and the best made or at least that’s what the government would have said. However, there are human factors that go into buying a dishwasher. Some women want a certain color. Some dishwashers offer certain features that individual buyers prefer. Some dishwashers simply work better than others and sometimes people buy the cheapest because that’s all they can afford.

Health insurance is no different than a dishwasher, a car or any other purchase. Individuals have preferences and they apply those preferences to their purchase of health insurance. In a capitalist system, there’s an insurer willing to meet just about any demand a consumer makes. If the consumer is happy and if the seller makes a profit, the transaction was a good one. In the fascist world of Gruber, the government decides what everyone needs and limits their choices based on what government has decided. Private companies may sell policies but they may only sell what government allows them to sell.


5 posted on 11/19/2014 5:37:33 AM PST by LeoMcNeil
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