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To: Fantasywriter
You, by contrast, have claimed too many times to count that it *was* the original rule.

Yes, and when I'd say that the context was always discussion about native-born persons. Given the extremely low percentage of citizens at birth who are born abroad, I see no need to have put a qualifier on it every time to say "oh, btw, citizens who are born abroad is a different analysis."

366 posted on 02/04/2015 8:08:42 PM PST by CpnHook
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‘Yes, and when I’d say that the context was always discussion about native-born persons. Given the extremely low percentage of citizens at birth who are born abroad, I see no need to have put a qualifier on it every time to say “oh, btw, citizens who are born abroad is a different analysis.”’

Except that you NEVER qualified your jus soli propagandizing until you rightly discerned that it could/would get you banned. You’ve been shucking and jiving frantically ever since.

You know, you liberals are unbelievable. So unlike conservatives. When we say something, we typically have to watch our comments being twisted, misstated, truncated, ignored or otherwise misrepresented. We’re happy merely to be quoted correctly, on the very rare occasions when it happens.

You liberals expect to be quoted correctly. You expect credit for exactly what you said. You expect a sympathetic interpretation of your words/the benefit of the doubt, and you expect others to ‘massage’ them so as to make them maximally correct and palatable. But what’s really amazing is, after being credited with what you actually said, you ALSO expect credit for what you didn’t say.

Take Obama. He said, for instance, if you like your health insurance you can keep your health insurance. He said that lots of times. But when later quoted, he blithely said he was “misunderstood.”

& the MSM accepted that & let it go. At least, they let it go by comparison to what they’d have done to a conservative. The bias is wider than the Grand Canyon.

Take Obama and Yemen. Here’s what he actually said:

“This counterterrorism campaign will be waged through a steady, relentless effort to take out [the Islamic State] wherever they exist, using our air power and our support for partner forces on the ground. This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years.”

But when, a few scant ***months*** later, Yemen fell to terrorists, Obama EXPECTS not to be held accountable. He EXPECTS not to have to admit he was not merely wrong, but childishly, ignorantly, dangerously and DELUSIONALLY wrong. Instead, he expects the MSM, Obots and LIV to understand that he always expected Yemen’s fall. This is because he is, ahem, ‘the smartest person in the room,’ and the, ahem, ‘smartest person in the room’ would not be blindsided by the sudden collapse of one of their favorite ‘success’ stories.

You are just the same. Since you started posting on FR, you have preached jus soli. You never mentioned Madison or jus sanguinis. You said it all came down to jus soli.

Then you suddenly realized that position could get you banned. So now you want credit not for anything you actually said, but for what you didn’t say. Just like Obama. Just like liberals in general. You rationalize why you never said it, and then expect everyone else to see why you should get credit for saying it, even though you didn’t.

It isn’t going to happen. You are not Obama and we are not the MSM. Here you get credit for what you say. You said jus soli like a skipping vinyl record...UNTIL you saw that it could get you banned. Your more recent tap dancing/bobbings and weavings are irrelevant. What you said prior to the great Cruz purge is what you meant. Live with it.

Here’s a sample:

‘Many have read [Wong Kim Ark]. Though some remain in a state of denial that the opinion clearly reasons that “born . . . in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” is an incorporation of the common law, jus soli rule of “natural born citizen.”’

No room for shuckin’ and jivin’ there, Hook. You said it, you meant it, and your subsequent, desperate tap dancing does not and cannot change it. You were just plain wrong.


387 posted on 02/05/2015 11:30:23 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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Oh, and btw, Hook, speaking of Yemen, there is another current event of pertinence to our discussion. Namely, Jordan, ISIS, and the burning of the pilot. In the King of Jordan you see how a real natural born citizen reacts to the brutal murder of one of his fellow citizens. He takes it personally. He is outraged. In as far as he is able, he vows to avenge his barbarically murdered fellow citizen.

Obama, by contrast, is not a natural born US citizen. He is a foreigner, and acts the part. When a US ambassador is brutally murdered, Obama blames NOT the foreigners who killed him—they are his compatriots—rather, he blames a US citizen. How dare a US citizen exercise free speech? For this, Obama will see that he is punished.

A US citizen is butchered and the video shown to the world. Obama, who has no skin in this game, offers a bloodless, perfunctory statement and then goes off to play five-plus hours of golf. Obama identifies with the beheaders, not with the beheaded, so why shouldn’t he enjoy his leisure time on the links?

A Muslim screaming Allahu Akbar massacres thirteen US soldiers and wounds many others. Obama’s response? A two-minute shout out audience members belonging to a Tribal Conference, including a special one to Joe Medicine Crow. Obama hates the US military and identifies with Native Americans, so what could be more natural than to poke his finger in the rank-and-files’ eyes while honoring those with whom Obama shares a true bond?

Obama is not an American, Hook. His actions speak louder than your words, and his actions call you a liar.


390 posted on 02/05/2015 11:46:34 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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One more thing. Obama used the Prayer Breakfast—the PRAYER Breakfast—to slam all Christians for the acts of a few, committed many centuries ago, and he established moral equivalence between those ancient acts and the modern savagery of Islam. Obama’s hatred for all things American, including Christianity, is bubbling over like a poisonous caldron. An American citizen would not use the *Prayer Breakfast* to trash Christianity and mitigate Islam’s horrors. But Obama is not an American. He took sick, twisted, perverted pleasure in desecrating the Prayer Breakfast. The exact pleasure an American-hating foreigner would take, because that is what he is.


393 posted on 02/05/2015 12:07:16 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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