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To: GunRunner
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM101580.pdf

Here is an excerpt in case you don't have time to wade through the whole pdf:

Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism , convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting.

Then there is this

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/06/25/mmr-vaccine-caused-autism.aspx Italian Court Rules MMR Vaccine Caused Autism

Valentino Bocca was given an MMR shot in 2004, at the age of 15 months. According to his parents, the change in his behavior was immediate. That same night he refused to eat, and he developed diarrhea during the night. It quickly went downhill from there. Within days he was no longer able to put a spoon to his mouth, and he spent nights crying in pain. His parents immediately suspected the vaccination, but were told this was "impossible." Valentino progressively regressed, and received the diagnosis of autism a year later. In the final analysis, the Italian Health Ministry disagreed with the initial conclusion of the pediatrician, conceding that the vaccine was at fault. As a result, a court in Rimini, Italy recently awarded the Bocca family a 15-year annuity totaling 174,000 Euros (just under $220,000), plus reimbursement for court costs, ruling that Valentino "has been damaged by irreversible complications due to vaccination (prophylaxis trivalent MMR)i." According to a featured article in the UK newspaper, The Independentii, about 100 similar cases are now being examined by Italian lawyers, and more cases may be brought to court. "Luca Ventaloro the family lawyer, said yesterday: "This is very significant for Britain which uses, and has used, an MMR vaccine with the same components as the one given to Valentino. It is wrong for governments and their health authorities to exert strong pressure on parents to take children for the MMR jab while ignoring that this vaccine can cause autism and linked conditions." The number of autism cases has risen sharply since the 1970s, with one in 64 British children affected," The Independent reportsiii .

What is your stance on the government requiring everyone purchase medical insurance?

Why is it okay for the government to demand to all of us to subject ourselves to a medical procedure?

Are your answer logically consistent?

Is is it consistent with liberty to decide for oneself and their children if the with consent to a medical procedure?
113 posted on 02/06/2015 9:58:52 PM PST by IchBinEinBerliner
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To: IchBinEinBerliner
Right, those are reported cases that do not establish a causal relationship. Think Jenny McCarthy; one can report just about anything as an "adverse event". It doesn't mean any sort of correlation.

They use the reported events to then go out and study the relationships between vaccines and the reported adverse reactions, and I've already linked to a document from the American Academy of Pediatrics that lists dozens of studies showing no causal relationship between vaccines and autism. To date, outside of Wakefield's fraudulent work, there's been no scientific study showing evidence that vaccines cause autism; NOT ONE.

The Italian case was long ago debunked as essentially a hoax by a questionable court, and I'm surprise to hear it brought up again:

Court Rulings Don't Confirm Autism-Vaccine Link - Forbes

The centerpiece of the “courts confirm” article is the 2012 finding of a local Italian court that a child was diagnosed with autism a year after receiving an MMR. The court, in linking the two things, relied very heavily on the retracted and fraudulent 1998 Wakefield MMR Lancet paper and the testimony of a single physician, hired by the plaintiff’s attorney (widely known for advising parents on how to avoid compulsory vaccinations). The physician, Massimo Montinari, it seems, has written a book on how vaccines cause autism and peddles an autism “cure” that he’s devised.

Italian courts, provincial or otherwise, are not known for basing their rulings in science. They are, after all, part of the system that led to a manslaughter conviction of six scientists for not predicting the 2009 L’Aquila earthquake, disregarding completely the obvious fact that such predictions are not, in fact, scientifically possible. In a similar way, the Italian court that made the MMR-autism ruling–the centerpiece of this latest “courts confirm” tripe–ignored completely the science made available to it and focused almost solely on the retracted Wakefield paper and a physician with a COI in making its decision. A decision that is, by the way, under appeal.

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What is your stance on the government requiring everyone purchase medical insurance?

I think it's statist garbage, and unconstitutional.

Why is it okay for the government to demand to all of us to subject ourselves to a medical procedure?

You don't have to get vaccinated if you don't want to. If you don't want to vaccinate your kids, you can home school them. Taking proper precautions to make sure that children are not at risk for spreading harmful infectious diseases, in light of the evidence which is overwhelming and one-sided towards the safety of immunizations, is not only reasonable but responsible.

Are your answer logically consistent?

Of course they are. Are yours? Using your logic, on what basis could you deny a kid with the measles entrance to public school? Don't his parents pay property taxes too? What would be your justification for quarantining someone with Ebola? Would you even support a quarantine?

Is is it consistent with liberty to decide for oneself and their children if the with consent to a medical procedure?

State governments are well within their Constitutional authority to require basic health and safety measures for the 50 million children who attend public school. You're perfectly within your right to leave your children defenseless against deadly diseases, but you cannot pass that risk on to other children. That isn't liberty.

117 posted on 02/06/2015 10:26:29 PM PST by GunRunner
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