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To: Olog-hai

That revolution would not have been successful if they were not on the right side. They tried for decades to get fair treatment and representation from Britain. Decades. They didn’t want to leave but ultimately they had no choice.

The war was over them leaving, separating from, parting company. They had to fight because they were not peaceably allowed to leave. Not that they wanted to overthrow anything. They were going to leave and wanted independence as free people, and they had to fight for it because all along Britain would not give it to them.


17 posted on 02/23/2015 11:15:17 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I agree. And that is why I will come out now and say I agree with this “Rusticus.” (What a name)

As you say, we have fought for decades for fair treatment: Fair treatment of our unborn—a demand that our rights not be infringed.

Ultimately we have been denied. All our boxes have been used but one.

Maybe it is time to listen to this—whoever. They are the first I have ever heard that had the courage to use the R word.

Time to take our country back?

You decide


18 posted on 02/23/2015 11:21:05 PM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yes, the founders wanted to leave Britain, and yes, we have far more cause now to revolt than those founders themselves.

The other perspective is that this nation’s founders revolted against Britain for far, far less than the unrestrained tyranny that we endure now, despite the fact we have the expectation of a constrained government and guaranteed rights under the Constitution, which those founders themselves did not have.

And yet despite our expectation of a restrained government, and guarantee of individual unalienable rights by the Constitution, we still do nothing. Actually many of us are doing less-than-nothing in pursuing false negative beliefs, such as the sovereign citizen movement, or the groups promoting the falsehood of the “common law grand jury”. These groups are actually promoting greater ignorance, and alienating people from our common cause.

Then there are groups that are pursuing entirely ineffective responses to our plight, such as the Tea Parties themselves, whose best representation of the Constitution is only the subjective “less taxes” and “smaller government”, which implies that bigger government and slightly more taxes is a reasonable perspective as well. The more recent approach of these Tea Parties is to focus locally and “vote harder”, as inherently supporting the that our unalienable rights might be subject to populist vote, and we may be a democracy.

These are not solutions, much less even valid responses. There may indeed be only one valid response at this point.

“When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered. “
~ Dorothy Thompson


29 posted on 02/24/2015 2:23:30 AM PST by LibertyBorn
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