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1 posted on 03/05/2015 5:38:09 PM PST by Lee'sGhost
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Don't know it well, it I've visited. London's waterfront is pretty big, and a lot of commercial shipping seems to be on the outside East End, “Docklands”. Greenwich is cool to visit. Isle of Dogs, Southwark. However, The City of London, the old city, is a square mile, right on the water. Shipping in the very early 1700 s would probably have come right to the modern City of London, which doesn't have room for much in terms of neighborhoods. Wikipedia says shipping came in by Billingsgate on the south bank. Lloyds coffee house, as in Lloyds of London, was on Tower Street, which is named for the nearby Tower of London. In 1688, they started insuring cargo. That sounds like prime territory for merchants to want to live, if they were successful.

I'd try and verify everything above, because a month and a half in London, and Wikipedia don't make me an expert.

25 posted on 03/05/2015 6:21:09 PM PST by NYFriend
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Another approach to finding where the families of the crews and the officers lived would be to gather a list of the crew rosters and search for them and their families at:

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1351&cj=1&netid=cj&o_xid=0001029688&o_lid=0001029688&o_sch=Affiliate+External


27 posted on 03/05/2015 6:23:44 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwall_Yard


28 posted on 03/05/2015 6:23:52 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.)
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See:

About London Apprenticeship Abstracts 1442-1850
http://www.origins.net/help/aboutbo-lonapps.aspx

About the collection
Records of the Livery Companies of London are one of the greatest archival treasures of the world. Dating from the early medieval period to the present, they provide a mass of information on innumerable subjects. For the family historian, they can provide an immense amount of genealogical and biographical details on members.

The Abstracts provide information from the apprenticeship records of a number of the livery companies selected because the records generally give good genealogical detail, principally, the name, parish and occupation of the apprentice’s father. For a given livery company, the abstracts will generally end about 1800 or later, depending on the coverage of the manuscript volume containing that year. In some cases records cease before 1800.

Over 165,000 of these record abstracts are contained in the database, with over half a million names indexed: apprentices, their parent, and masters. In nearly every case, the father (more rarely the mother) of the apprentice is given, with their place of residence - which can be anywhere in the British Isles or overseas.
Less than 30% of the “London” apprentices actually came from the London area, though the proportion varies significantly between the different companies. For example, the Blacksmiths’ and Fishmongers’ apprentices include over 33% from London and Middlesex, compared to just under 31% for the Butchers, and under 21% for the Grocers. It should be borne in mind that an apprentice’s master does not necessarily follow the trade indicated by the company name. While it may be tempting to think that the prestige of a company might affect the number of apprentices coming from outside the Metropolitan area, this does not seem to be the case, for the Grocers’ is the second of the “Great Twelve” livery companies while the Fishmongers’ is the 4th.


29 posted on 03/05/2015 6:31:38 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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Billingsgate, Tilbury & Gravesend in East London.

In the London and Medway estuaries try Sheerness, Queensborough, & Chatham. All had warehouses and dockyards both royal and commercial.

Hope this helps.

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30 posted on 03/05/2015 6:31:42 PM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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A pleasant way to find out would be to skim some Patrick O'Brian novels.
...and speaking of 'pleasant' and 'London':

The inestimable songstress Miss Julie London!

31 posted on 03/05/2015 6:49:55 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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Upper Swandam Lane - a vile alley


32 posted on 03/05/2015 6:53:25 PM PST by nickcarraway
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Southwark.


33 posted on 03/05/2015 7:19:00 PM PST by Moonmad27 ("I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." Jessica Rabbit)
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Wapping rings a bell. Probably many more neighborhoods.


37 posted on 03/05/2015 8:02:33 PM PST by buffaloguy
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“Many of the sailors of Charles II’s navy lived in Wapping and by the 18th century it was described as “a poor waterfront district inhabited chiefly by dock hands, casual labourers, sailors of all nationalities and petty criminals”. Dr Johnson recommended exploring Wapping “to see such modes of life as very few could even imagine”.”

(snip)

http://www.londontaverntrails.com/trails/Wapping.html


38 posted on 03/05/2015 8:11:27 PM PST by Tamzee (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~~~ Ronald Reagan)
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Wapping, limehouse area was a rough part of London. It was close to the docks but it was famous for it’s tenements and prostitution. My ancestors were blacksmiths and watermen (river taxis) in that era and they lived in Wapping. It wasn’t a place for the rich.

In the late 1600’s, a successful and wealthy merchant could have lived anywhere East of London Bridge, west of the Tower and South of St Paul’s cathedral.


40 posted on 03/05/2015 9:28:39 PM PST by Natufian (t)
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41 posted on 03/06/2015 4:11:48 AM PST by Oratam
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To: Oratam; Natufian; llevrok; Tamzee; buffaloguy; Ray76; Moonmad27; nickcarraway; mrsmith; LonePalm; ..

LOTS of great information. Can’t thank you all enough. I knew my fellow FReepers would come through.

Lee’sGhost


42 posted on 03/06/2015 5:08:36 AM PST by Lee'sGhost ("Just look at the flowers, Lizzie. Just look at the flowers.")
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Off topic, but still interesting for background.

Recruiting Citizens for Soldiers in Seventeenth-Century English Ballads
http://www.academia.edu/465929/Recruiting_Citizens_for_Soldiers_in_Seventeenth-Century_English_Ballads


43 posted on 03/06/2015 5:26:09 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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48 posted on 03/06/2015 6:15:36 AM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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Broadly speaking, the East End.

You can google for individual neighborhoods there.

49 posted on 03/06/2015 8:05:07 AM PST by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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