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Why the Left Won’t Budge on “Born That Way”
Facebook ^ | 04/26/2015 | walford

Posted on 04/26/2015 2:48:44 PM PDT by walford

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To: walford

What if they did find the gene that causes homosexuality. Will the parents then abort the child before it is born?

Will the libs be up in arms about it?


41 posted on 04/26/2015 5:31:02 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (</P><P><)
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To: walford

As with anything on the Left, the gay lobby’s insanity on going after a gay man for TALKING to a republican is not about hate, It’s about the Left’s power and control. Over the hotelier, over the media, over Cruz and over you and me.


42 posted on 04/26/2015 5:55:39 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Changing the name of a thing doesn't change the thing. A liberal by any other name...)
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To: walford

Liberal saying homosexuals are “born that way” and conservatives saying that homosexuals aren’t born that way both miss the point — there ARE NO homosexuals in any coherent, empirical description. Homosexual behavior, yes indeed — a distinct, objective “homosexual” identity, no.


43 posted on 04/26/2015 5:56:22 PM PDT by Demiurge2 (Define your terms!)
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To: walford

It is a behavior that does not encourage survival.


44 posted on 04/26/2015 6:01:45 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: TheGipperWasRight; All

No.

It did not happen in the Soviet Union, and it will not happen here.

When the apparatchicks were fed into the Stalin meatgrinder, they submissively went along, even knowing they were completely innocent.

Their refrain was “The government must have a higher purpose that I just got caught up in. Individual lives do not matter.”

They are true believers in the state as God.


45 posted on 04/26/2015 6:12:43 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Jim Noble

“I’m oriented towards adultery with beautiful women. This is not socially (or personally) constructive, and should be discouraged more than it in fact is.

No society has ever survived unlimited indulgence of sexual desire, this one won’t either. Whether some or all such desires are inborn is irrelevant.”


That is an excellent point.

Urges come and go, but in the long run, we are all invested in each other and in the world we leave behind. If our prehistoric ancestors did not understand that — and develop taboos against behaviors that threaten the tribe — we would not be here.

And doing things that do not further the species and/or tend to spread STDs certainly fall into that category. The Paleolithics may not have understood microbiology, but the certainly had the power of observation.

When our species was rare and far from the top of the food chain, there was much less room for self-indulgence.


46 posted on 04/26/2015 6:18:09 PM PDT by walford (https://www.facebook.com/wralford [feel free to friend me] @wralford on Twitter)
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To: Jim Noble

“I’m oriented towards adultery with beautiful women. This is not socially (or personally) constructive, and should be discouraged more than it in fact is.”

I have been looking for a way to phrase that, and you did it very well.


47 posted on 04/26/2015 6:23:28 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Sgt_Schultze

>> just mention to a homosexual that gene therapy may one day be able to permit parents to deselect homosexual likelihood <<

Not only gene therapy. Consider this:

What about aborting a fetus that is found to carry the homosexual gene? I don’t think the LGBT community is going to be exactly “enthusiastic” about such a practice.


48 posted on 04/26/2015 7:35:25 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: walford

An equally valid question is why some of the religious right are so insistent that they aren’t. Personally I know I was attracted to women long before I knew or could do anything about sex. I didn’t choose to be heterosexual, and so when someone tells me they were always attracted to the same sex I don’t have any reason not to believe them. You can also find examples in the animal kingdom. In the words of Ted Nugent, “There are queer deer”. So what’s the big deal?

To answer my own question, if you start from the firm position that the Bible is the literal word of God, and the Bible calls homosexuality not just a sin, but an “abomination”, then how could God create people who are homosexual? And if he did, how could it be an abomination? So the notion that they are born that way is a direct challenge to the core belief of many on the religious right, and they won’t budge for that reason. If you believe that that’s your right, and nobody has a right to force their beliefs on you. But you might want to at least recognize it,


49 posted on 04/27/2015 1:17:18 AM PDT by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!")
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To: Hugin
An equally valid question is why some of the religious right are so insistent that they aren’t. Personally I know I was attracted to women long before I knew or could do anything about sex. I didn’t choose to be heterosexual, and so when someone tells me they were always attracted to the same sex I don’t have any reason not to believe them.
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The difference being that in Nature, there is no biological advantage in homosexuality. Natural selection favors heterosexuality. Those who do not reproduce leave no progeny. Homosexuals are the product of heterosexual sex.

So this isn’t just a religious issue; I list several possible explanations for homosexuality and posit that Born That Way is at the very least questionable as being the most likely; it is least likely, in fact.
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 You can also find examples in the animal kingdom. In the words of Ted Nugent, “There are queer deer”. So what’s the big deal?
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The “big deal” is when people and institutions are hounded and litigated out of business because they do not accept that buggery or carpet-munching makes one a member of a protected demographic group.

And deer or other animals are exchanging bodily fluids same-sex? I would be very surprised. If they did, the natural promiscuity of males would result in STD developing amongst these animals. Also, these homosexual animals would not reproduce, so they would select themselves out of the gene pool rather quickly.
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To answer my own question, if you start from the firm position that the Bible is the literal word of God, and the Bible calls homosexuality not just a sin, but an “abomination”, then how could God create people who are homosexual? And if he did, how could it be an abomination?
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That same fallacious argument could be used to explain the existence of pedophiles, serial killers, sadists and fascists.
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So the notion that they are born that way is a direct challenge to the core belief of many on the religious right, and they won’t budge for that reason. If you believe that that’s your right, and nobody has a right to force their beliefs on you. But you might want to at least recognize it
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And yet the clergy of the Secular Humanist Left are imposing their beliefs.

The First Amendment allows for free practice of religion and also prohibits the establishment of an Official religion. These laws, court rulings and fines violate both aspects. It establishes Secular Humanism as the Official State Religion and uses the coercive power of government to impose Born That Way as dogma.
50 posted on 04/27/2015 5:59:45 AM PDT by walford (https://www.facebook.com/wralford [feel free to friend me] @wralford on Twitter)
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To: jsanders2001

It’s their attempt to remove the moral component of the issue.

They know they can’t honestly defend the morality of homosexual behavior.


51 posted on 04/27/2015 6:03:21 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: walford

In your last sentence, what exactly do you mean by, “...act accordingly”?


52 posted on 04/27/2015 8:16:09 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Demons run when a good man goes to war.")
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I don't know whether they are "born that way" or not. I do know this. Every homosexual act is a matter of choice. They chose to engage it.

Being born with same-sex attraction is still no excuse for acting on that inclination. I'm attracted to women. Even so, I don't go chasing everything that wears a skirt.

If they are in fact "born that way," I feel sorry for them. But they have the same obligation to chastity as I do.

53 posted on 04/27/2015 9:38:07 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( book, RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY, available from Amazon)
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To: ChocChipCookie

In your last sentence, what exactly do you mean by, “...act accordingly”?


That’s up to the individual, isn’t it? I’m doing my part by analyzing and exposing.

Exposure is a great enemy of the Left, which is why much of their energies are spent hiding what they are doing and what they intend.

For the businesses and even churches that are being targeted, they should not compromise their principles.


54 posted on 04/27/2015 9:58:47 AM PDT by walford (https://www.facebook.com/wralford [feel free to friend me] @wralford on Twitter)
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To: JoeFromSidney

As I noted in the essay, the importance of the government enforcing Born That Way upon the rest of the population makes it so homosexuals are legally considered an ethnic group that is entitled to protection — and therefore makes it so people and institutions can be forced to compromise their values.

In the process, it nullifies the First Amendment and makes Secular Humanism the Official State Religion of the United States.


55 posted on 04/27/2015 10:02:09 AM PDT by walford (https://www.facebook.com/wralford [feel free to friend me] @wralford on Twitter)
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