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Pamela Geller Is Not "Morally Responsible" for the Terrorist Attack in Texas
The New Republic ^ | May 7, 2015 | Professor Steven Lubet

Posted on 05/09/2015 3:06:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men “ and Women” do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)

There ya go Ed.


21 posted on 05/09/2015 3:50:58 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Professor Lubet was quite eloquent in talking out of both sides of his mouth. He minced no words in disqualifying Pamela Geller from the human race:
“Nasty hearted Islamophobe,”
“Despicable campaign to prohibit Ground Zero Mosque,”
“Pamela Geller is a religious bigot.”

I beg to differ with the professor’s moronic evaluations of the woman who is sounding the alarms while the “media” and “academia” as well as far too many politicians are cringing in their boots and shaking with fear, determined to “pacify” and placate the murderous instincts of the followers of a tyrant who was a pedophile among other things. In today’s world he would be behind bars, not the leader of a cult. I know of no “religion” that demands the annihilation of all non believers. Only Muslims build Mosques over the site of their conquered enemies, witness the Mosques in Jerusalem, in Constantinople,and ALMOST the World Trade Center.
Civilized societies should have learned a long time ago that APPEASEMENT DOES NOT WORK.


22 posted on 05/09/2015 4:06:46 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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Prof Steven Lubet is a nasty hearted ivory tower dweeb!


23 posted on 05/09/2015 4:40:55 PM PDT by sauropod (I am His and He is mine.)
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Pam Geller is no more responsible for the Muslim’s deaths than teachers are for school shootings


24 posted on 05/09/2015 4:59:18 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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Liberalism IS a mental disorder.


25 posted on 05/09/2015 4:59:22 PM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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. . . was [it] “morally right or wrong” to stage an event featuring offensive caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed [perhaps yes given] Geller's long history of repulsive anti-Islam activism . . . But [b]laming her, even partially and conditionally, for an act of terror stretches moral reasoning beyond the breaking point.

Could it be that the Barbary pirates were provoked by our Founding Fathers' repulsive anti-Islam, disrespectful, impertinent activism defining justice? Only Allah can do that; to wit,

". . . there has been no social justice or anything like it in any society or civilization before the advent of Islam."

"A human being cannot establish absolute justice because he is just a mere human . . . the divine social justice advocated by Islam is an integrated system for justice enjoined by the Creator of man and all other creatures . . . Justice is Allah’s attribute"

See excerpts below and links.

We must submit lest we provoke them even more by our heritage of inalienable rights and justice..

But wait.. the name callers would scream "Bigots! Islamophobes! There is nothing in Islam's teachings about taking over the law of the land. Let us teach you about Islam. The Quran instructs that absolute justice -- not religion -- must be the ruling government's guiding principle."

OK fine. What is Quran justice?

From Part 1. "In Islam, justice is significant as it is one of the 99 Divine Attributes of Allah . . . Islam laid down foundations to regulate relationships among all individuals of the society and foremost among these bases is social justice . . . there has been no social justice or anything like it in any society or civilization before the advent of Islam."

Islam and Social Justice Part 2 A human being cannot establish absolute justice because he is just a mere human . . . the divine social justice advocated by Islam is an integrated system for justice enjoined by the Creator of man and all other creatures . . . Justice is Allah’s attribute, and to stand firm for justice is to be a witness to Allah, even if it is detrimental to our own interests (as we conceive them) or the interests of those who are near and dear to us . . . The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) has given . . . the moral of justice which [is to be] observed with all people without any sort of discrimination. The story of the noble woman who stole and the reaction of the Prophet to Usama’s intercession [teaches us that Allah's Prescribed Punishments command the same punishment for all regardless of social status : cut off the noble woman's hand]. It goes beyond the scope of this paper to relate the countless examples that show the Prophet’s absolute justice and fair dealing with all human beings, and even with animals.

Being a dumb Islamophobe and all -- I will ask:

How can one be a true Muslim without accepting that only their god can define justice? Screw the islamophobe Founding Fathers.

Name calling not appreciated but contumely welcomed. I have quite a collection over the years. :)

26 posted on 05/09/2015 5:18:34 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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A well worn and effective device used here. If one wishes to publish a view that may well draw some fire and indeed some contumely, use it. Thus one deflects some of the vituperation that might come one's way. While I do not disagree what was written in this biography, I would like to give an example.

Robert Payne wrote "The Life and Death of Adolf Hitler". A masterful work. In the introduction he savaged Hitler and his gang with a burst of invective. He poured it on. Why not? He had to guard against the usual reactionaries, who might think he tried to show a human side of a young Hitler. This in the early days of that man's life.

It is the safest way to get one's point across and deflect the vitriolic naysayers. It works!

I call the professor a bigot. I call the man an ungallant cad. Then our world is full of these would be censors. If they want YOUR opinion they will give it you.

27 posted on 05/09/2015 7:12:21 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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The liberal mindset that somehow there is not only a moral equivalence between the adovocates of free speech critics of radical Islam and the Islamists but moral culpability on the pat of the people who were attacked is a very dangerous concept.

What provoked the Garland episode was not the cartoon contest but the Islamic convention that was held there before in which various speakers used hate speech against Christians and Jews accompanied by threats of violence. Geller’s group was protesting in a way to say “Never Again.” You can’t let the bully get away with intimidation in speech or he will be back with his club.

Most people are familiar with the concept of ‘grooming’ as practiced by pedophiles to gain acceptance of their particular sexual preferences by their targets. In much the same way, the bullying tactics of radical Islamists toward the rest of the world that doesn’t accept their religion is a form of psychological ‘grooming’ of the West.

Once you begin to accept the premise that they have the right to use hate speech against people they consider to be inferior infidels, and follow up the threats with violence even unto death, you have begun to lose your freedom of action.


28 posted on 05/09/2015 8:09:27 PM PDT by wildbill (If you check behind the shower curtain for a murderer, and find one.... what's yoIur plan?)
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We need more like Pam and the officer that took the two thugs out. Most talk about taking some sort of action - few actually do something substantive to indicate a willingness to take the fight to the enemy.


29 posted on 05/10/2015 3:58:24 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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Hey Professor Doofus, you don’t get to call someone a “phobe” the day after they’re attacked by pecisely the people they’ve been warning about.

Despite the professor’s stupidity on this, I will give him a particle of credit for recognizing the obvious when it comes to free speech. And I wish him luck in trying to persuade his doofus comrades in the faculty lounge.


30 posted on 05/10/2015 4:28:36 AM PDT by Yardstick
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