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Is the Big Bang Cycling Through Hidden Time?
Science ^ | Edward Belbruno

Posted on 05/29/2015 2:32:28 PM PDT by lbryce

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To: mfish13

My “feeling” is that everything has always been around. The universe has been around forever. And many universes have been around forever. Creationism can exist within this. My opinion.


61 posted on 05/30/2015 6:27:59 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: corlorde

Hidden Time
Not to be confused with hidden fees.

You sure about that? Time IS money.


62 posted on 05/30/2015 7:36:45 AM PDT by bajabaja (Too ugly to be scanned at the airports.)
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To: CaptainK; dp0622

You guys need me to explain it to you?

=)


63 posted on 05/30/2015 8:44:16 AM PDT by Mr. K (Palin/Cruz - to defeat HilLIARy/Warren)
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To: lbryce

Mathematician and artist.


64 posted on 05/30/2015 8:53:28 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Alex Murphy

65 posted on 05/30/2015 9:01:25 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Mr. K

I would love that, if it’s short and sweet.


66 posted on 05/30/2015 9:02:12 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I had that same feeling.


67 posted on 05/30/2015 9:03:19 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Mr. K

yes. lol.


68 posted on 05/30/2015 9:03:54 AM PDT by dp0622
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To: dp0622; CaptainK

OK.

In the beginning, there was this Turtle...


69 posted on 05/30/2015 9:15:42 AM PDT by Mr. K (Palin/Cruz - to defeat HilLIARy/Warren)
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To: bert

Um, not exactly ...


70 posted on 05/30/2015 10:17:57 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: bajabaja

Time IS money.

Thus the saying...Time wounds all deals.


71 posted on 05/30/2015 10:20:41 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: MHGinTN

: )


72 posted on 05/30/2015 10:45:21 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... No peace? then no peace!)
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To: Mr. K
The turtle I get but what of the four elephants? I want to know where they came from.
73 posted on 05/30/2015 10:55:53 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Mr. K

Was there also a Hare involved ?


74 posted on 05/30/2015 10:58:27 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: lbryce; Alamo-Girl; marron; hosepipe; metmom; xzins; YHAOS; TXnMA; MHGinTN
The introduction of this time variable was done for mathematical purposes as described earlier, to find a slower time scale near the Big Bang. Its interpretation as being another time scale is convenient mathematically, but its physical relevance needs to be further studied.

You asked: "Who knew there was a hidden time?" And yet, I don't think Belbruno was explicitly arguing that there is "hidden time." What he's doing is using mathematical probes (if I might call them that) to test various hypotheses. As tremendously useful as mathematics is, it routinely uses concepts that are widely regarded as not physically constructible; e.g., the notion of infinity. The physical case — the "physical relevance" of t-prime — requires further study, just as Belbruno notes in the above italics. That will require the construction of relevant, replicable experiments. And that may be easier said than done.

What I find interesting is that mathematically-constructed cosmologies in general do not seem to be reconcilable with the Second Law of Thermodynamics, specifically with the problem of entropy. If the universe in fact "eternally" cycles between boom and bust periods, it's easy to see how the busts happen; but what reboots the next boom, the next big bang? It is widely believed that entropy necessarily increases, or at best stays the same, in a closed system. The problem is, there is evidently no way for human beings to tell whether the universe, as a global physical system, is open or closed.

But it's instructive to entertain the speculations of mathematical cosmologists nonetheless. Especially if they are also artists and regarded as exceptionally gifted in the intuition department.

75 posted on 05/30/2015 12:19:53 PM PDT by betty boop (Science deserves all the love we can give it, but that love should not be blind. — NR>)
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To: betty boop

IF the speed of light works as a clocking mechanism, what does it mean that the speed of light is slowing down?


76 posted on 05/30/2015 12:32:20 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: betty boop

ENTROPY - what a concept...

The metamorphosis of energy.. whether a chrysalis, worm or butterfly.. it’s just energy..

OR... energy as a commodity.. a thing.. whether a being or matter.. or even a “spirit”..

Light as energy.. leaves one fantasizing about Warp Speed..
Worm holes maybe even undiscovered Butterfly holes..

Oh! well.. back to my donut...


77 posted on 05/30/2015 1:18:43 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: MHGinTN; lbryce; Alamo-Girl; marron; hosepipe; metmom; xzins; YHAOS; TXnMA
IF the speed of light works as a clocking mechanism, what does it mean that the speed of light is slowing down?

For openers, thank you so very much for sending me the Barry Setterfield materials, in which he argues that C — the speed of light — is not a universal constant, but has actually been slowing down in recent "dynamic time." I've only skimmed his paper so far. There is much of interest here.

But there is a nagging question that still remains, and it goes right down to the ground: How does a human mind detect a slowing down, or decaying, of C, when the human observer is ineluctably, completely a part of the system in which C is decaying, and therefore is completely implicated, embroiled in the process of C decay, which is presumed to be universal?

If the value of C is not constant, then how can it act as a "clocking mechanism" in the first place?

Are other universal constants subject to such variability? If so, how can we regard them as constants?

I'm just wondering here....

78 posted on 05/30/2015 3:21:19 PM PDT by betty boop (Science deserves all the love we can give it, but that love should not be blind. — NR)
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To: betty boop
As I understand it, the speed of light slows as the dark energy accelerates the expansion of spacetime. Since our observed Universe exists on the 4D surface of the greater dimensional Universe, as the entire Universe (much like a 2D bubble surface) is expanding, stretching the distances spatially And Temporally, the speed at which light traverses the expanse is slowed relative to all matter on the surface of the 4D 'plane'. The analogy would be measuring the train travel time between two towns. It will appear to take longer to get from one to the other if an earthquake (for instance) pushes the towns apart while the tracks stretch to accommodate the separation factor. The stretching track is the clocking relationship of the speed of light.

A clock runs faster or slower when deeper in a gravity well than it does outside the gravity well? Think about it. Dark energy is stretching the gravity well from the top down, so to speak, as if dropping a pebble into the well increases the amount of time needed to get to the bottom of the well because the bottom and top are moving away from each other.

A photon entering the event horizon of a black hole takes infinitely longer to 'fall to the center of the black hole' because of the gravity well increase the further toward the center one goes. It is as if the center is receding faster than the speed at which the light is traveling, netting the effect of the light speed slowing to near zero. Dark energy is stretching the surface of the bubble ever faster, taking objects further from each other, relatively speaking.

IIRC, this effect was noticed while studying Quasars.

That may all be a complete jumble, given the distractions around me, so take it with a grain of ... salt?

79 posted on 05/30/2015 4:11:18 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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bb, Dear Sister, I agree with you that, if our" yardstick" ("C") was changing dimensionally (and we were changing along with it) -- how could we even detect that?

IMHO, MHGinTN pointed out that we have lots of "wiggle room", when he ended with, "relatively speaking"... '-)

80 posted on 05/30/2015 5:02:01 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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