Posted on 06/03/2015 8:48:50 AM PDT by don-o
I agree with you, yet concerning it,
“However, there are several aspects of what we DO know that can be argued on the merits, related to due process of law, which many of us see as being trampled on.”
I have not seen anything presented which addresses these issues other than claims.
Eg, no probable cause.
How can any of us know if there was or wasn’t?
And that applies for 170 people or so.
And reasonable people can differ on what constitutes probable cause.
Courts then decide.
Etc...
The courts have ruled on what is and what is not probable cause. I'll have to continue with this later - errands to accomplish.
BINGO! We have a Winner!
The "official" BATF Twitter account, at one point in the past 2 weeks. stated that they were at the site in Waco. Now that twitter account is vanished. And I sent an article to @WacoPolice about militarization of the police and that article disappeared from the original source website within hours. (it is still on the web elsewhere and in Google Cache). Yep there is an outside agenda, hope the Texas Rangers helping in Waco now expose all the bastards.
It is certainly an idea we need to keep in the back of our minds when contemplating exactly what happened in Waco.
What the Cops may have taught them with this incident, is to bring their own snipers for the next one.
By abusing their authority, I think they just made future law enforcement harder. Now people who might have otherwise trusted the cops, will wonder if an encounter with them will be fatal.
No part of this is good.
When you have to invent a strawman like that, you have an extremely weak position.
I don’t recall seeing anyone post that there were no gang members involved in any fight at all. So you are arguing against a position that nobody here has put forth.
What has been stated is that there was at most ten or twenty people out of over a hundred and seventy involved in any brawl that occurred and that the undercover officer seen in the photographs may have incited said brawl...which if incited by wearing false colors would still be illegal activity on the part of whatever gang members may have joined in.
In no way does said brawl justify shooting or arresting any non-participants.
If one biker pulled a weapon, and I am confident one did, what if he was threatened for his life by another biker and he had a concealed weapons permit? Not saying that is what happened, but it is possible.
I believe the rumour that an undercover agent was called on colors he was wearing by ones who knew he was phoney. A scuffle and name calling began, he pulled his weapon and badge and commotion to the front door began. In the open officers see an undercover agent in danger and shoot. End of discussion. But is it? What about innocent bystanders?
Headshake.
This is not a “clean” operation. I do not believe 9 deaths and 18 gunshot injuries are warranted by what was going on that day.
Will the full extent of the lies be exposed? That depends. I think we should put pressure on public officials to see to it that happens. The TRUTH is powerful and not always on the side of Law Enforcement. Especially Fed Agencies. I trust them NOT.
This is incoherent and illiterate. It also wants us to accept prima facie statements made concerning innocence which is what is otherwise objected to if the argument is prima facie acceptance of guilt.
I can't tell if it's illiterate but it's definitely incoherent. It seems like ifinnegan is trying to Dazzle us with brilliance.
The core question is: Why is the bail set so high?
I agree. All killed by police bullets.
Very likely fact.
CNN has put the release of William and Morgan English in their cycle.
Do you know that an armed man and an unarmed man were dispached? I don’t know that.
Two armed men with innocent bystanders? No time for questions, they both put themselves into a bad situation. The unarmed bystanders must take priority.
Discussion of JP who set the one million buck bonds
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3296340/posts
Two of the bad actors are Sgt. Swanton who can’t keep his story straight and Judge Peterson who issued million dollar bonds merely “to send a message.”
Here’s another parallel.
“While in Special Operations Swanton was also involved in the aftermath at Mount Carmel and was awarded the Police Commendation bar along with his other teammates for their involvement.”
http://www.nicp.net/?page_id=45
4. Two plus weeks later and they haven't released the ballistics report. It's way too late in the game if many or any were killed by bikers. We'll never know if any guns were dropped by LE as cover. No, I don't hate LEOs. I have Texas LEOs in the family and even they are questioning this.
That was from a couple years ago when SWAT, with those vehicles, drones and helicopters raided a small organic country farm, The Garden of Eden, outside Dallas, TX. It is owned by some hippy type folk. Eight were manhandled and handcuffed over some supposed marijuana that turned out to be okra plants and firewood not stacked according to code. The only arrest was one guy over traffic violations. Dallas taxpayers were out a boatload of $$$$$$$ over nothing. LE is getting way out of control.
http://www.intothegardenofeden.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=140&Itemid=382
Rolling Stone and BuzzFeed reporter, Michael Hastings, who thought the FBI was targeting him.
Thanks for keeping this topic alive.
“In no way does said brawl justify shooting or arresting any non-participants”
Of course not.
I do not see how your post relates to anything I posted.
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