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To: pieceofthepuzzle

And they’re both as different from each other as Ebola and the Plague.

Saying Communism and Fascist are basically similar, that’s like saying an orange is similar to a sausage.

Blatantly absurd to the point of utter ridiculousness and ignorance.


7 posted on 09/14/2015 5:40:46 PM PDT by Lucy Hamilton (Lucy from Occupied Europa)
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To: Lucy Hamilton

From Flopping Aces:

Leftists and Liberals absolutely love to smear opponents as Nazis. In fact, Nazism belongs firmly on the left. Nazism is an abbreviation for National Socialist German Workers Party. The only way Nazism differs to Communism is that it is National Socialism whereas Communism is International Socialism. All of the rest is the same old Socialist dogma – state control of means of production, forcibly imposed collectivism with the individual reduced to a servant of the state and obviously, the Nazis were fiercely anti-capitalism.

Whilst he was still a journalist, Adolf Hitler was invited to join the then German Workers Party – the DAP – after giving a beguiling speech on how capitalism could be destroyed. The Nazis also promoted promiscuity, abortion, expanded the welfare state, and Hitler himself was a vegetarian and an environmentalist. The Nazis were pro-gun control and one of the first things they did was to outlaw gun ownership.

Then there’s the mass murder of human beings. The Nazis killed about 21 million people, a bit of an amateur effort compared to the Communist killing machines in the USSR and the Peoples’ Republic of China. It should never ever be forgotten that Nazism is a leftist ideology firmly rooted in Marxism. You cannot understand Communism or Nazism without understanding Marxism. This also applies to Mussolini’s Fascism – Italian National Socialism. Ignorant leftists who accuse others of being “far right” Nazis share the same Socialist beliefs as Stalin, Mao, Mussolini and Hitler. Remind them: Socialism is the progression to the Gulags of the USSR, the Laogais of China and the Konzentrationslagers of Nazi Germany. Odd how all of these brutal Socialist regimes had forced labor camps isn’t it?


9 posted on 09/14/2015 5:46:58 PM PDT by datura
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To: Lucy Hamilton
Saying Communism and Fascist are basically similar, that’s like saying an orange is similar to a sausage. Blatantly absurd to the point of utter ridiculousness and ignorance.

They ARE similar. They are big government tyrannies where the individual has little to no rights and the all powerful government rules over them. The brand of tyranny does not matter, call it fascism, communism, socialism, a monarchy or a dictatorship... it is all tyranny, it is ultimately the same. When the big government has all the power, and the people live under its rule with what degree of freedom the government decides they should have... yes, it is all the same.

11 posted on 09/14/2015 5:53:05 PM PDT by GregoTX (Cruzader)
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To: Lucy Hamilton

Welcome noob.

I lived in Berlin during the 80s. Met lots of old SS troops there. They were flaming Marxists, all of them.

Your denial of truth reeks of Holocaust denial syndrome. And yes, I’ve been to Bergen Belsen und Auschwitz. Guarded Rudolph Hess at Spandau.

Stop trying to paint the Nazis as anything but what they were. MONSTERS.


12 posted on 09/14/2015 5:53:30 PM PDT by datura
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To: Lucy Hamilton

“Saying Communism and Fascist are basically similar, that’s like saying an orange is similar to a sausage.”

The difference is actually more like an orange to a tangerine, two forms of totalitarian government with slight and insignificant differences. For example Hitler maintained tight control over German corporations while Stalin owned Russian corporations outright. In Russia gun ownership was banned while in Nazi Germany Heinrich Himmler stated you could own one provided you joined the SS. Not much difference. The reason Hitler hated communism was because he simply preferred his own brand of totalitarian government.


19 posted on 09/14/2015 6:05:22 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: Lucy Hamilton; darkwing104

Do you like Kitties?


60 posted on 09/14/2015 7:16:27 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Lucy Hamilton
For someone who has registered here only a few days ago, to immediately start slinging around terms like "blatantly absurd to the point of utter ridiculousness and ignorance" regarding peoples' understanding of Communism and Fascism, and also to brag about your degree in History from Oxford (a veritable bastion of conceited Leftist European thought) is rather ill-mannered, to say the least.

One problem people have with defining such terms is that the left-right political spectrum is phony in the first place. There is Authority, and there is Liberty. Authority can be legitimate or illegitimate, but its legitimacy is not determined by some group of rulers in government, nor by some democratic mob in the streets. Its legitimacy is determined only by whether it infringes upon Natural Rights or not, rights which are Unalienable.

The concept of state-controlled industry (all in the name of the People, of course) is something traditionally associated with Marxism, Communism, Socialism, and the like.

To my mind, the very notion of a state imposing social organization and/or controlling and nationalizing industry is classical collectivism, and that, to me, doesn't seem very "right wing".

Dogmatic preconceptions regarding definitions aside, it seems absurd that the "National Socialist Worker's Party" of Germany, and its millions upon millions of members, their "Volkswagons", and the like, would not display numerous characteristics of collective authoritarian regimes.

Thus, I find the characterization of Nazi Germany as some kind of primarily "right wing" regime to be patently absurd. The Nazis had central state control of industry, and imposed social organization from the top down via the state; they called themselves "socialist". There must be some reason they saw themselves as such.

Methinks that the reason that the European Left is so adamant about characterizing Nazi Germany as "right wing" is that it serves the propaganda goal of implying somehow that Marxism and socialism somehow aren't the incredibly murderous ideologies which they really are.

The fact is that Marxist, Communist, Socialist, and other such collectivist authoritarian regimes, including Nazi Germany, murdered more human beings during the 20th century than all the "right wing" regimes which have existed throughout the entire history of mankind.

Nazi Germany was an Authoritarian Socialist regime, and socialists are not "right wing".

Digressing, I might also add that our American Constitution is a wonderful document, which has created a superior society which, with all of its warts, remains the freest nation on earth, a nation to which people from all other nations, including the UK, flock to for her opportunity, and just to breath the relatively fresh air of Freedom.

The European Mind, which has submitted itself almost entirely to Marxist dogma in one way or another, is the thing that is truly worthy of being laughed at. Especially that room full of professors you mentioned.

America is far from perfect, but compared to the smug authoritarian collectivism of Europe? Well, there simply is no comparison.

95 posted on 09/14/2015 11:02:16 PM PDT by sargon
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To: Lucy Hamilton
"I don't care what "ism" there is for that a totalitarian system uses."

Apologies for that, coffee maker is slow this morning.
102 posted on 09/15/2015 3:42:22 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Lucy Hamilton
And they’re both as different from each other as Ebola and the Plague.

It's more like comparing a Chevy to a GMC.

The badges and the trim are different, but underneath they're the same thing.

128 posted on 09/15/2015 4:45:27 PM PDT by uglybiker (nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-BATMAN!)
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