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WE ARE BEING ROBBED BY THE HEALTH CARTEL!!
1 posted on 09/23/2015 8:59:47 AM PDT by SatinDoll
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The free market is usually the way to go to establish a fair price. I don’t see the free market working in issues relating to pancreatic and lung cancer. Cranking the prices up like this isn’t free market: it’s legal extortion. It needs to stop.


2 posted on 09/23/2015 9:04:38 AM PDT by JusPasenThru (but if not...)
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Some countries cap the price so the companies make up for it via the price They charge in free market countries.


3 posted on 09/23/2015 9:05:56 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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The whole damn industry from providers to insurance companies is a scam. The government has no interest in solving it, because not only are politicians are paid by the interested parties, but the 1/5 of the economy being extorted by these thieves makes it appear as though there is ‘economic growth’.


5 posted on 09/23/2015 9:11:23 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm
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I lost my wife to cancer last year. when she was diagnised we were told that she was already stage 4. The Dr's told her that if she refused treatment she would not live 6 months but if she accepted chemo she could expect to live 11-12 months and with the pace of research maybe by that time there would exist improved treatment options. What they neglected to tell her was how miserable those 11-12 months would be. How much pain she would be in and how debilitating some of the side effects would be. And of course, there was no mention whatsoever about cost.

She recieved chemo on Tuesday, week one. 2 drugs, whose name escapes me as I type but, drug one cost $11,000 per round and drug 2 cost $5,500 per round. Two weeks later her treatment was drug one only for $11,000 and on wednesday she went in for a shot...Neulasta, I beleive, and that cost $11,500. This went on for 10 and a half months. She died 3 days shy of 11 months. My insurance paid for most of this but I'll be paying off my share for a while. I don't mind paying...I would have gladly gone into hock for the rest of my life if it would have saved her. What I do mind is knowing that there's no way in the world that these costs are justified and that as long as the pharma industry can collect these outrageous sums there's no incentive for them to really find a cure for cancer.

I'm a cancer survivor myself and if I'm ever diagnosed with an advanced stage cancer 3-4 I will not opt for any treatment. I was lucky. I had Renal Cell Carcinoma and all they had to do for me was remove a kidney, but if it comes back it's stage 4. I would never ever counsel anyone who is diagnosed with stage 4 cancer to put themself through chemo. Never. Not after seeing what my dear wife endured.

6 posted on 09/23/2015 9:14:33 AM PDT by pgkdan (But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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Everyone wants to talk about forcing price levels for US sale. There is no need to force anything. Simply enforce the right to sell whatever you own and prosecute any corporation (and its executives) that try to restrict distribution and cross-border shipment of such drugs.

I used to get Celecoxib (generic Celebrex) from India because the FDA kept extending extending Pfizer's exclusivity on the product. Now that it is finally generic, my shitty company insurance pays for it. I still get a couple of medications from Canada.

7 posted on 09/23/2015 9:15:19 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (''Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small''~ Theodore Dalrymple)
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I am surprised its not even more expensive.

Turn on the boob tube and all you see are ads from lawyers suing pharmaceutical companies.

9 posted on 09/23/2015 9:17:54 AM PDT by IC Ken
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And what to the drug companies do with a lot of this money?

They make sure it gets to the proper pockets in Washington to ensure that things stay the way they are.

11 posted on 09/23/2015 9:21:26 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is simply majoritarianism. It is incompatible with real freedom.)
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We surrendered our God given rights to seek relief from pain sickness and misery during prohibition!

Today you can legally be a heroin addict if you pay all the kings men! Why do you REALLY think we're still in Afghanistone? The spice must flow.

13 posted on 09/23/2015 9:23:35 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,)
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Missing in this article is that Glivec is losing patent protection as of this year. An Indian company is already producing a generic and has arranged cooperation with Novartis apparently to ensure the quality of the product.

I believe that India does not protect the intellectual property of the drug companies. Nobody is going to pay enormous sums to create drugs which can then be freely copied by anybody else.

Glivec is only about twenty years old or less. The benefits to be derived from it will extend far past the day when it becomes more freely available. Patent protection is an important part of the success of western economies and shouldn't be eliminated or reduced. The inequities is pricing from one nation to another is a small price to pay for the benefits derived.

16 posted on 09/23/2015 9:31:10 AM PDT by William Tell
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Keep in mind, that the United States (and to some extent Japan) is financing pharmaceutical research for the entire world. If the pharmaceutical companies can't recoup the R&D expenses, drug discovery will dry up.

Yes, drugs cost less in Mexico, but how many life saving pharmaceuticals have come out of the Mexican drug industry? None, that I can think of.

Drugs cost less in Canada, but the last major drug to come out of Canadian research is insulin, and that was before Canada's health industry became socialized.

17 posted on 09/23/2015 9:32:14 AM PDT by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the far North)
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“Why invest in a cure when there’s good money to be made in prolonging the problem?” -Big Pharma


19 posted on 09/23/2015 9:32:30 AM PDT by jaydee770
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Why are those drugs so much cheaper in other countries?

Well, a few reasons... Much of the time, it is excess inventory or licenses which are sold to those countries - additional profit with little investment, and subsidized through sales to US customers.

Beyond, there is little ability in India, for example, for a massive multi-billion dollar class action lawsuit. And honestly, once approved by the FDA, almost any drug is automatically approved in other jurisdictions.

To me, the real solution involves this: A considerable amount of the sticker price for drugs is to cover the inevitable class action lawsuits that are to come. Instead, add a small tax to prescription drugs to go into a FDA fund which will pay ALL claims for any drug issues and put in stiff criminal penalties for any drug company that conceals or inflates any data from drug trials and reports after the drugs are released.

When drug companies no longer need a one to ten billion dollar contingency fund to cover future court claims, the prices will fall sharply. If you further make it illegal for drug companies to directly market to doctors, you cut costs even more dramatically.

20 posted on 09/23/2015 9:33:11 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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It’s just as Trump said, Americans are saps for the whole world to take advantage of. Here and hundreds of other ways.


22 posted on 09/23/2015 9:33:26 AM PDT by caddie
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You left out a key factor - litigation risk, which is much higher in the US than overseas. That could be addressed - it was for certain vaccines - but there will be a transfer of risk to the individual associated with that.


25 posted on 09/23/2015 9:46:24 AM PDT by PAR35
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but no money for investment in research
28 posted on 09/23/2015 9:56:42 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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So, only the highest bidders will get lifesaving drugs?


33 posted on 09/23/2015 10:33:10 AM PDT by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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If you want to pay less for drugs, the answer is exceedingly simple - eliminate the FDA completely.

Cost of getting a drug to market in the US exceeds a gigabuck.

Not every compound a drug company has under development is going to pay off. If a drug company comes up with a single blockbuster in two years, it funds the development of every other compound they have under development. Profitability, generally, is determined by deciding which compounds you intend to shelve, and when.

The other thing you can do is force Europe to buy meds on a hospital system by hospital system basis. Today, governments buy drugs on behalf of their entire health system. I wouldn’t be surprised if the EU has taken to doing it for all member nations.

That’s the opposite of a monopoly. It’s called a monopsony - when there is one buyer only, and they dictate to the manufacturer what it is they are going to pay.

Today, Europe shoulders none of the cost of development. They get a free ride on our tail.


43 posted on 09/23/2015 1:15:18 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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It’s time to get real here. The production cost of almost all drugs is so close to zero that it can usually be ignored. The real cost is totally due to government regulation. It costs on the order of a billion dollars to bring a new drug to market. That’s BILLION, with a B. Unless you include that cost, don’t waste my time. And don’t whine about drug company gouging you unless you can show me a drug company that earns an extraordinary net profit.


45 posted on 09/23/2015 6:28:56 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age did not end because we ran out of stones)
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