Posted on 11/19/2015 9:14:35 AM PST by w1n1
When 30 carbine was introduced during WW2, many called it inadequate. It became massively popular, and not just with the rear echelon troops. Far from the sheer power of the 30-06, it was more useful to a radio operator, a cook, or a typist. Likewise, 22WMR is nowhere near the power of 223Rem (already deemed inadequate by many), yet its ballistic cousins 5.7x28 and 4.6x30 are well regarded for certain niche uses. Until recently, 22WMR was mostly used in hunting guns, the occasional exception like Grendel carbine aside. But consider it in the Personal Defense Weapon (PDW) format: lightweight, accurate, nearly recoilless, and effective.
For the test, I used two CMR30's updated to the production configuration. Both were reliable and well received by the numerous shooters who tried them. While slow fire provides about 1.5MOA dispersion, we did rapid fire standing at 18-20 yards. The target was a 1/4" hardened aluminum, diamond plate backed, with 2x4s. 9mm +P and .357Mag defensive ammunition shot through 4" barrels left minimal impression on the plate. 22LR let just a tiny splatter. From the carbine barrel, 22WMR ball blew through the metal and the wood behind it. We tried CCI hollow point load with the same result.
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Well, everyone should go with what they are most comfortable with because I'll take my 9 over any .45 you got.
I don't have it off hand. Just do a search within youtube for FBI handgun report and you should find it. That's how I found it originally.
I’ll second that.
The FBI also said that because of lower recoil, the average rate of accuracy improved with the 9mm. And that the advances in ammo technology give the 9mm pretty good stopping power.
My favorite rifle is usually the one I am shooting that day. I’m a sort of “love the one you’re with” type when it comes to guns.
Not for a firefight, but for the sheer enjoyment of shooting, I would say it’s my 1971 Marlin 30-30. I wish the ammo was cheaper.
Bullet design is key.
30 years ago 9mm was a joke compared to the 40.
Bingo and a .22mag bullet is nasty when it fragments and goes all over the place.
Published velocities for the .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire cartridge are established in 24" barrels. Shorter barrels for this cartridge will produce considerably lower velocities.
You can’t get any cheaper ammo than 7.62x39 .
I put some 158 grain +P semi wadcutters through my Airweight this morning. At 12 feet that sucker has some real stopping power. Lot of recoil in that little gun. 10 rounds and back to the 9mm.
I’ve never understood the value of ‘stopping power’. A 9mm will kill me just as dead as a .45. They’re all more than adequate. And quite frankly so is .22 LR - it kills more people than any other caliber, so it seems lethal enough to me.
I’ve done my own armchair analysis of ‘stopping power’, just looking at the momentum equation and mass/velocity of the bullets. My conclusion is the ‘sweet spot’ is .40. And I don’t consider myself biased, because I don’t happen to own that caliber.
But I actually prefer the 9mm, based on the number of rounds you can put in a standard magazine, and accuracy. I’m a big guy, but I have no problem admitting that firing a .45 meant for concealed carry is a semi-religious experience with the barrel jumping way up...and accuracy is not consistent. Too much boom-boom in too small a package.
Yep. And in a decent AK, it’s very reliable. During the .22 shortage, that was my fun gun.
“8 hits with a .22LR beat 4 misses with a .44 Magnum.”
People say that type of nonsense, but why would anyone miss any more with a 44 mag than with a 22LR? Assuming the more powerful round results in a miss is ignorance of firearms.
My dad told me he frequently carried a M2 full auto carbine in Korea. But I always thought they were .30 cal. (Not 30-06 like the M1)
Most women prefer a light load, like a 110 in the Airtight S&W .38 Special.
Is there such a thing as a .380 revolver?
That's why I've always preferred the 9mm. I've had two 1911 .45s (a Kimber and a Colt) and I was always able to place quicker, more accurate follow up shots with the 9mm, so that what I've stuck with. Of course if someone feels more comfortable and accurate with a .45 then they should stick with that.
I know what you mean about the Marlin lever action. I've got a 1980 Marlin .357 lever action and I really love shooting it. Every year our Church has a youth "Shoot and Fish" day where we take teenagers out and teach them gun safety and let them shoot a variety of rifles and pistols. That includes AR-15s, AR-10s, M1As, a Remington 700 in .300 win mag and this year we had a Tavor 5.56 bull pup. By the end of the day most of the kids are always waiting in line to shoot the lever action because its so accurate and easy to shoot. They are just a bunch of fun.
Don’t forget, the .22 WMR results in this article are from a carbine barrel. If you’re going with a carbine, then the ubiquitous 5.56mm/.223 is the way to go. It beats .22 WMR in penetration and terminal effects. Other drawbacks to .22 WMR:
a) Ammo availability is hit or miss.
b) Rimfire, so you can’t reload. See a).
c) Rimfire, so reliability, even with modern manufacturing techniques, is not as good as centerfire.
The only point of this article is to showcase some eye-candy Kel-tec carbines. The only reason to go with .22 WMR is:
1) It’s just one more gun in your collection.
2) You already have the PMR-30 pistol, the magazines cross-match with the CMR-30, and you have a stash of ammo.
2) You have to be different. You drive a Catera, the Caddie that zigs. You like Jerry Lewis. Rand Paul is your guy. Face it, you’re a weirdo.
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