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How Should Police Stop A Knife-Swinging Laquan On PCP?
Misadventures in Diversity ^ | 11/25/15 | Donald Joy

Posted on 11/25/2015 11:57:19 AM PST by IChing

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To: unixfox

1st degree murder is usually premeditated, which I think you’d have a hard time proving in this case.


41 posted on 11/25/2015 12:36:59 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: stylin19a
The Lone Ranger would have just shot the knife out of Laquan's hand with a single bullet.

Oh Wait! That's just TV fantasy.

42 posted on 11/25/2015 12:37:39 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

They overcharged, for sure.

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Perhaps so that it won’t stand up.


43 posted on 11/25/2015 12:38:48 PM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: kjam22

1st degree murder is premediated. They are going to have a difficult time proving premeditation.


44 posted on 11/25/2015 12:39:26 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Win or Lose, Still a "12"!)
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To: Moonman62

I thought Freeper’s would be familiar with the Tuelle Rule. The guy was high on PCP, had shrugged off a taser, was swinging a knife, had just prior slashed a tire of police car when an officer tried to arrest him, was walking parallel to the police, not away, and was shot when he turned toward police with a knife in his hand and while reaching in a pocket. This isn’t close to murder 1. It may or may not have been a good shoot according to police procedures. The truth of that matter depends on a lot of details that aren’t in that particular film. Frankly, we are spending far too much time and too many resources on our feral population.


45 posted on 11/25/2015 12:39:31 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: dragnet2

Wrong again, there have been many criminal cases/incidents where it does indeed tell the whole story.

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Then please tell me a court case where video was the only evidence used.


46 posted on 11/25/2015 12:40:45 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: smokingfrog
1st degree murder is usually premeditated, which I think you’d have a hard time proving in this case.

You are probably right. I stand corrected.

47 posted on 11/25/2015 12:42:47 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: SandyInSeattle

You know what... I was on a jury for a murder trial. I was the foreman and I still have the jury instructions. You realize that premeditation takes all of about 5 seconds. Right? Once you decide to kill someone and do it... that is premeditation.


48 posted on 11/25/2015 12:43:49 PM PST by kjam22
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To: IChing
but also slashed the tire of a police car when an initial attempt to arrest him failed just moments before he encountered Van Dyke and other officers.......i did not know this from the msm coverage yesterday. Still 16 shots horrible. Is the family dog still alive?
49 posted on 11/25/2015 12:45:18 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 HillaryForPrison2016)
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To: BitWielder1

“Treat PCP the same as illegally carrying a deadly weapon.”

Not just PCP, but other drugs also, cocaine, meth, alcohol, heroin should be treated the same way. Especially, since Chicago cops can take one look at someone at determine what drugs they have in their system.


50 posted on 11/25/2015 12:45:20 PM PST by Timpanagos1
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To: smokingfrog

I wondered why first degree as well. Isn’t first degree when you plan ahead of time to murder?


51 posted on 11/25/2015 12:46:43 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 HillaryForPrison2016)
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To: Moonman62

That’s just it. I don’t think it’s in line with standard lethal force training. I got my CC training from a cop, and self-control, recognizing where you were in terms of real versus imagined threat, was on you, the shooter. They even provided an option for simulation training, again, the point being, when and why do you start shooting, when and why do you stop. You have to think about that and practice that ahead of time, because in the live shooting situation, you’re going to play the tape of how you’ve practiced.

So I say, based on the training I received, no way was this recognized internally as a good shoot. If it was held back, it almost certainly was for political reasons, not because they were unsure about the deviance of this shoot from acceptable standards.

As for the law, unloading the entire magazine in a situation like this is probably going to be a factor, because it speaks to the shooter’s state of mind. Someone above said there was a pause. If so, he’s probably doomed. He just demonstrated he had enough self control to assess the risk, and despite objective evidence the threat was neutralized, he kept on shooting. A jury could infer he truly meant to kill a man who was no longer a threat to him. No comfort I can find in the law for that.

Peace,

SR


52 posted on 11/25/2015 12:48:23 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: ColdOne

Once you decide to kill someone, and then do it. That is premeditation. It doesn’t HAVE to be a long drawn out process where you plan for a period of time how you are going to do it.


53 posted on 11/25/2015 12:48:47 PM PST by kjam22
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To: Moonman62
Video never tells the whole story, and thats the problem with these cases

If that were the case, no one would use it, including the cops. Btw, any evidence is better than none. And this goes for cops and non-cops. Learn it. Btw, there have been many criminal cases/incidents where it does indeed tell the whole story.

Then please tell me a court case where video was the only evidence used.

Boy, do you bull shit much? Of course whatever evidence is obtained will be used. But the fact is, video by itself has convicted tons of people.

You work at the dial an argument call center?

Do us all a favor and stay away from careers in law enforcement.

54 posted on 11/25/2015 12:49:32 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: IChing

This will be a double plus good event for the community agitator in chief. First, he gets his love of riots and protests from his BLM shock troops. The DA over charges the officer with first degree murder. There is no evidence to prove this officer woke up and deliberately set out to murder this drug addled individual who was wielding a knife. When the officer is either acquitted of that charge then all hell will break loose.


55 posted on 11/25/2015 12:49:50 PM PST by Organic Panic
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To: VerySadAmerican

Watch the part where he is on the ground yet still reaching for an object. If Van Dyke thought it was a gun, he walks, provided jury follows Graham v Connor instructions.


56 posted on 11/25/2015 12:50:23 PM PST by IChing
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To: Springfield Reformer
That’s just it. I don’t think it’s in line with standard lethal force training.

Were they in vehicle pursuit? 5 or 10 minutes?

This should have been more than enough time to to arrange for non-lethal weapons to be deployed or brought in.

A no brainer.

57 posted on 11/25/2015 12:51:13 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Organic Panic
From Wikipedia... State laws in the United States vary as to definitions of "premeditation." In some states, premeditation may be construed as taking place mere seconds before the murder. Premeditated murder is one of the most serious forms of homicide, and is punished more severely than manslaughter or other types of murder - often with a life sentence without the possibility of parole, or in some countries, the death penalty .

I know in Oklahoma it can take only seconds. I was a jury foreman and still have the jury instructions in a murder trial.

58 posted on 11/25/2015 12:53:32 PM PST by kjam22
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To: MCF

They’re hoping for conviction on a lesser included charge


59 posted on 11/25/2015 12:54:17 PM PST by IChing
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To: kjam22

In Oklahoma... if you decide to kill someone, and then do it... that is premeditation. I don’t know about Illinois.


60 posted on 11/25/2015 12:55:26 PM PST by kjam22
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