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To: IChing
The person who wrote the article is a chap by the name of Donald Joy. You just posted it, so that doesn't automatically convey that you wrote anything original.

So you have the expertise to be able to state that the definition for deadly force and its application (by both DoD and the State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security standards) significantly differs from local police? It doesn't.

Guess who trains the Marines for embassy duty for arresting and applying deadly force on embassy grounds? Federal special agents. The only difference in the deadly force taught for guard duty in the infantry is the baton, the mace and the handcuffs that are issued for embassy duty. That's it. The rest is paperwork.

So deadly force has been preached into my soul for 20 years. I know what it is, how it is applied, and I can tell you the cop is going to jail because he misapplied it. It is only a question of what he pleas to, or is found guilty of. My money is on manslaughter because it's a misapplication of deadly force, so it likely won't meet the standard for Murder 1 or 2.

156 posted on 11/25/2015 6:49:27 PM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Salvavida

“My money is on manslaughter because it’s a misapplication of deadly force, so it likely won’t meet the standard for Murder 1 or 2.”

Yes, that is what I would bet on as well. Manslaughter. I do not see it fitting Murder 1 or 2.

Probably tunnel vision on the part of the officer.


160 posted on 11/25/2015 7:03:44 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Salvavida

Not too sharp. Try putting 2 and 2 together for the answer. Hint: Look in the most obvious place. Who is he?

You’ve never had training in the 21-foot rule, that’s plain.

Get acquainted with the fundamental difference in character between law enforcement officers, who have a “duty to act” — that is, to actively seek out, confront, apprehend, and overcome lawbreakers and threats, and that of security guards, which is moreover the duty to retreat/defend.

To the point, LEOs must sometimes aggressively act to confront/bring about a situation wherein deadly force winds up being necessary, even though it is the last resort to resolve the situation, whereas those doing guard/security duties are primarily required to hold to post limits, not seek out such situations beyond limited orders, and not pursue, etc., except in extraordinary circumstances.


170 posted on 11/25/2015 10:18:20 PM PST by IChing
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To: Salvavida

Anyhow, I tend to concur with you as to the outcome of the case, but not necessarily on its merits, more along the lines of the nature of the likely jury pool.

As for DoD mission security forces, military police (the USAF academy I went through trains the Marine MPs), special deputy U.S. marshal, presidential and cabinet-level protective details, and an array of civilian-sector environments/roles where armed use of force training and duties are concerned, I’ve worn all those hats over the last 34 years.

But don’t feel bad about the 21-foot rule thing. I myself hadn’t really been thoroughly acquainted with/trained on it until about 8-9 years ago.


171 posted on 11/25/2015 10:30:34 PM PST by IChing
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