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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Carry Okie - did the 14th Amendment clearly or arguably change natural born status?

Not that I can see in the text, in that it confers citizenship without exclusion; i.e., it doesn't say a person of American parentage born outside the US is specifically not a citizen, leaving that point open to a matter of Natural Law. For any more than that, one would have to consult the Congressional Globe (the Congressional Record of its day) for debating points and such.

For all who are interested, the dissenting opinion in US v. Wong Kim Ark is a very impressive analysis of British and American law as regards birthright citizenship. The opinion begins with this very question.

153 posted on 01/16/2016 7:47:33 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Carry_Okie

The question framed to you by this question was not the one I had raised. I didn’t claim at any time that the 14th Amendment had addressed the issue of natural born citizenship.

I suggested that the 14th Amendment effectively ended patrilineage as the sole determinative of bequeathed citizenship, and made women equally able to bequeath citizenship on their children as men.

I’d be interested in your take on this, especially if you are aware of any case law on this point.


159 posted on 01/16/2016 7:57:28 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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