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To: SubMareener

What about the two year old child who died in the Athenian plague circa 429 B.C.? Did the child go to hell?


5 posted on 01/16/2016 1:29:18 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
According to Origen of Alexandria (b. 0185), children were "polluted" at birth ('cause of that nasty 'sex' thing, you know), and only baptism could save them.

According to Augustine of Hippo (b. 354), unbaptized babies went straight to hell.

The point being, as always, to scare folks into dependency on the church, and keep those donations rolling in.

8 posted on 01/16/2016 1:54:43 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
>>What about the two year old child who died in the Athenian plague circa 429 B.C.? Did the child go to hell?<<

No. Going to hell is a consequence of rejecting God's gift of salvation. God isn't just waiting to throw people in hell, He wants everyone to accept His salvation, but unfortunately not everyone does. The child wouldn't have been old enough to consciously make that decision so it wouldn't be held accountable.

10 posted on 01/16/2016 2:07:07 PM PST by Smittie (Just like an alien, I'm a stranger in a strange land)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

I don’t know. That is up to YHWH. He will save whom He will save and condemn whom He will condemn. I could look up the chapter and verse for you, but its in the Word.

Don’t try to second guess YHWH. His ways are not you ways. That is in the Word as well. If you think He is awful, then don’t believe and take your chances.


18 posted on 01/16/2016 4:19:15 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
What about the two year old child who died in the Athenian plague circa 429 B.C.? Did the child go to hell?

Romans 2:1-16   (NIV)

You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?

But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.

12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

52 posted on 01/17/2016 2:31:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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I say no, because while all are negatively affected by the sin of Adam and Eve (yet also benefit from the obedience of others) eternal judgment is based upon what that person did, "and they were judged every man according to their works ." (Revelation 20:13) "But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things . (Romans 2:2)

And which is in accordance with what they did relative to the light and grace given them. (Mt. 11:2-24; Lk. 16:48) By even rejecting the light God gave them, even a pagan has in essence rejected Christ, "which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.' (John 1:9)

But to be culpable for sin requires moral cognizance, "For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good,..."(Isaiah 7:16) while to dam souls due to the sins of their father (as Adam) is reproved by God many times, not just once. "The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him." (Ezekiel 18:20; cf. Dt. 24:16; 2Ki 14:5,6; 2Ch 25:4; Jer 31:29,30)

The sins of one do not make others personally guilty, nor does his holiness make another holy, except by the sinless scapegoat Christ. But all physically die due to Adam, even when sin is not imputed due to their being no law (or in ignorance of it), "sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses..." (Rm. 13,14) (Those who sinned such as during the time of Noah were likely indicted for their sins by the postmortem preaching of Christ: 1Pt. 3:18) And all sin because of the inherited Adamic sinful nature, (Rm. 5:12) as "by one man's disobedience many were made sinners" (Rm. 5:19) by nature and then by choice, but just as the atonement of Christ ("by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous") is not effectual until one believes (though they still physically die), so one is not culpable for sin until they are morally cognizant and able to choose (though they still physically die). Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. (Romans 5:18) The disobedience of Adam brought the judgment of an Adamic nature and thus condemnation due to choosing to sin as Adam did, the earned "wages" being the second death, (Rm. 6:23; Rv. 20:14) while the obedience of the second Adam provided justification by faith being counted for righteousness in the washing of regeneration, and thus effecting obedience, but only to those who believe.

61 posted on 01/17/2016 3:40:42 AM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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