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Questions all Americans should be asking themselves about women in combat
US Defense Watch ^ | May 22, 2016 | Ray Starmann

Posted on 05/22/2016 8:02:30 PM PDT by pboyington

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1 posted on 05/22/2016 8:02:30 PM PDT by pboyington
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I have no issue with the rare woman who can stand toe to toe with any man doing any job she wishes in the military.

However, I have a MAJOR issue with lowering the bar to allow women into positions they are not fit for.


2 posted on 05/22/2016 8:08:51 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, R)
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I remember when they added women to my ship, cost the Navy 1b to add special berths and heads and a renovated medical bay.

Took us out of action for additional 4 months in overhaul.


3 posted on 05/22/2016 8:13:13 PM PDT by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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“.........If the insane policies of this administration are not amended and amended soon, we may be witnessing the final days of the United States of America.”

and he ain’t kidding folks.


4 posted on 05/22/2016 8:13:40 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists Call 'em what you will, they all have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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Any wonder these photos were kept from the American People for years? Now what if they were women in combat.

Or Malmedy when US soldiers were executed by the SS.

Is this worth a "social experiment" to see how feminists would do in combat?

5 posted on 05/22/2016 8:21:09 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: TexasFreeper2009

If our leaders want a social experiment, start with sports. Eliminate mens and womens football, baseball, track, boxing, wrestling, MMA, etc. All compete head to head, no matter the gender, and no handicapping.

If the women can compete and win in full contact sports on a level playing field with men, THEN we will consider talking about allowing them to compete for combat slots. Until then, we need to stick with what has worked for thousands of years.

Not even going to mention the disaster of having girls and boys out in hormone overload instead of staying mission oriented.


6 posted on 05/22/2016 8:23:02 PM PDT by wrench
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They don’t even have women playing with Jordan Speith and Jason Day in the PGA and yet were supposed to buy women in the Rangers? Total insanity


7 posted on 05/22/2016 8:27:31 PM PDT by pboyington
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How successful has Dannica been driving NASCAR? About the only thing she excels at is making right turns on the track during a race.

Another social experiment


8 posted on 05/22/2016 8:31:37 PM PDT by wrench
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This and so much more. Does anyone realize that natural birth rates are 1.04 boys to 1.00 girls almost universally? Add this to the failed social experiment in China of only two children per couple and then the abortions that resulted when couples only wanted boys. Women have a role, and it is not in combat. Ask yourself why the greater birthrate of boys; the answer is obvious.
9 posted on 05/22/2016 8:32:08 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

These photos never should have been kept from the American public for even a day.

If the deranged politicians want to send women into combat and at the same time expose their daughters and mothers to men in the bathrooms, locker rooms and showers back home - then God help them.

They are in danger - from us.


10 posted on 05/22/2016 8:32:15 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: TexasFreeper2009

There are no rare women who can do that.

Check the times for the mens 100 meters and then check the womens.

A good high school boy will beat the women’s world record. Make that a very good high school boy.


11 posted on 05/22/2016 8:34:43 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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Over 20 yrs. ago, a former military officer told me that he
had quit the service. He was over a group of medical
personnel, many of whom were women. - They were given a
“bug-out” order. They were supposed to load some heavy
medical equipment on trucks. (Women do not have the upper
body strength to lift heavy loads.) They did not finish
loading; they simply could not lift the equipment; they did
not “bug-out”. End of story. - Of course, with metrosexuals
running our government now, the rules will be dumbed down
to make “Little Suzy” look good & also accommodate the
homosexuals’ proclivities.

My dad stated that in WWII; they started out with a few
homosexuals in the Army in basic. They washed out; could
not hold up to the rigors. (Those men were serious about
beating the Nazis & had no time for playing ugly sex. It
was life or death & not fun & games.)


12 posted on 05/22/2016 8:37:01 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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It will be disastrous


13 posted on 05/22/2016 8:37:34 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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pboyington,

Well said. And a majority of what you said got down to the real issue, that of physical capacity. War in direct combat is a taxing and overwhelming strength requirement of the upper body as much as the lower. Both halves must be at top performance so as not to put yourself, your unit, or the mission in jeopardy.The lowest level of pass/fail to stay in the military is the annual PFT, (Physical Fitness Test). At this time the Army is trying to re-create those standards. Here is an article from the Army Times:

The Army is on the eve of rolling out new MOS-specific, gender-neutral fitness tests, and new details have begun to emerge.

The tests “should be good to go by June,” said Patrick Murphy, acting Army secretary, in a Tuesday interview with Army Times. That plan, and others related to adding women into previously closed military occupational specialties, is contingent on Defense Department approval.

While no final decisions have been made, it’s unlikely every MOS will get its own fitness test, owing to the impracticality of creating and conducting one for each specialty, Army test-developers said. One solution could involve implementing a single test and creating a tiered scoring system — soldiers with high marks could serve in the most physically demanding jobs, while those who eked out passing grades would have their MOS options restricted.

The tests likely will incorporate exercises that soldiers will need on the battlefield, Murphy said, and they are expected to revolve around “advanced individual skills that are MOS-specific, gender-neutral and standards-based.”

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Now in many years of watching, scoring and conducting these tests and those for the academies, I have never personally seen a woman with the capacity to pass the test good enough to be combat qualified. So what the Army is saying in my mind is that they know the women can’t get there so they are giving them an out to other less fitness required MOSes. So if they know hardly any of the women, if at all, can qualify. this is how they are going to get out of admitting it was just a stupid idea to begin with. And everybody’s ego is covered and the liberals get their vote pandering.

red


14 posted on 05/22/2016 8:42:48 PM PDT by Redwood71
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Israel tried women in combat roles. It just didn’t work out. Obama never learns from history.


15 posted on 05/22/2016 8:52:05 PM PDT by Sasparilla (Hillary for Prison 2016)
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Thank you, Red!

I'm a Vietnam combat vet, not an 11 Bravo infantryman, but a former Huey door gunner who has inserted many infantrymen into combat situations, and then picked them up again as the mission required.

Please don't tell me that women could have stood along side these brave men and pulled their own weight. It's laughable to even consider it.

These men with their 100+lb. combat loads to include weapons and ammo had a rough time of it on their own.

Women are not physically, emotionally or psychologically prepared for war.

Get over this rare woman crap.

16 posted on 05/22/2016 8:58:35 PM PDT by PROCON
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I have no issue with the rare woman who can stand toe to toe with any man doing any job she wishes in the military. However, I have a MAJOR issue with lowering the bar to allow women into positions they are not fit for.

I disagree good sir. The innate instinct of men in the West but not the Middle East is to protect the female. That will change the dynamics of a fighting unit and to the detriment of the fighting unit.

I support the idea of women in the military. Each women doing a non combat role frees up a man to fight.

The Israelis had women in front line combat roles at one time. It did not work out well. Their bravery and skills were not a problem. The problems were upper body strength, the dynamics of the fighting unit and the absolute horror inflicted on those captured.

17 posted on 05/22/2016 8:59:15 PM PDT by cpdiii (DECKHAND, ROUGHNECK, MUDMAN GEOLOGIST PILOT PHARMACIST LIBERTARIAN, CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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To: PROCON

“Women are not physically, emotionally or psychologically prepared for war.”

As a woman I fully agree.

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18 posted on 05/22/2016 9:04:34 PM PDT by Mears
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Even if they can physically do it, no women in combat.

It’s morally wrong. That is one reason of many.


19 posted on 05/22/2016 9:10:09 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Redwood71

The new MOS based PT tests will also exclude men from going into MOSs they are not qualified for. That is a good thing.

One USMA female cadet I know who branched infantry is on the triathlon team. Girls that make it through IOBLC will be fine.

Kids today are used female leadership — more than I will ever be. I just hope the Army does not start force branching girls into combat MOSs because diversity.


20 posted on 05/22/2016 9:16:08 PM PDT by 13foxtrot
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