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To: BroJoeK; PeaRidge
Ask me the relevance of this to the Civil War.

"The utter contempt with which privileged Eastern liberals such as myself discuss red-state, gun-country, working-class America as ridiculous and morons and rubes is largely responsible for the upswell of rage and contempt and desire to pull down the temple that we're seeing now."

I've spent a lot of time in gun-country, God-fearing America. There are a hell of a lot of nice people out there, who are doing what everyone else in this world is trying to do: the best they can to get by, and take care of themselves and the people they love. When we deny them their basic humanity and legitimacy of their views, however different they may be than ours, when we mock them at every turn, and treat them with contempt, we do no one any good. Nothing nauseates me more than preaching to the converted. The self-congratulatory tone of the privileged left—just repeating and repeating and repeating the outrages of the opposition—this does not win hearts and minds. It doesn't change anyone's opinions. It only solidifies them, and makes things worse for all of us. We should be breaking bread with each other, and finding common ground whenever possible. I fear that is not at all what we've done.


671 posted on 12/29/2016 4:11:46 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; PeaRidge; rockrr; x
DiogenesLamp quoting CIA (Culinary Institute of America) chef and TV personality Anthony Bourdain:

"I've spent a lot of time in gun-country, God-fearing America."

I live in gun-country, God-fearing America, I am one of those critters.
Over the years I've traveled in every US state (except Alaska), lived or worked in a dozen, north, south, east & west.
My Dad was Pennsylvanian, my Mom North Carolinian and they are buried side by side a few miles from my home.
I served in the US Army, worked in industry and am now semi-retired.
Yes, I did go to school, but don't hold that against me, I studied history and business so know the difference between facts & myth, something that makes sense vs. somebody hoping to pull the wool over our eyes.

Lost Causer mythology is just that: mythological stories invented to turn otherwise indefensible actions into something greater than stupid and morally bankrupt.
The myths begin by demonizing "Ape" Lincoln and his "Black Republicans", ignoring all Confederate acts & declaration of war and magnifying any Union misbehavior.
It pretends the only "crimes" Fire Eater secessionists committed were their secession declarations and new Confederacy, when in fact there is long list of provocations and acts of war, threatening the existence & boundaries of the United States.

But here's the most important point to remember: all those "Fire Eater" secessionist Confederates were Democrats, erstwhile Southern allies to the same Northern Democrats who, then as now, ruled over Big City immigrant populations and the nation's financial centers.
In 1861, Southern Democrats did not lose their Northern Democrat allies over secession or Confederacy.
No, the break came, finally, only after the Confederacy repudiated its debts to their Northern Democrat allies.
That hit their friends where it hurt the worst, and so Northern Democrats turned on their Southern Democrat allies, in defending against the Confederacy's declared war on the United States.

But, as pro-Confederates often point out, the average Southerner in 1860 was not a slave-holder, indeed, they were not necessarily even Democrats.
As recently as 1848 the majority of Southerners voted for the Whig candidate, Zachary Taylor -- think of Whigs as Southern Republicans.
When Whigs split apart, Southern Whigs became the America First party (aka "Know Nothings").
So, where did we recently hear that slogan, "America First"??

Note how 1848 Whig (brown-yellow) counties voted Republican (red) in 2016:

2016 presidential election, shaded by percentages:

672 posted on 12/31/2016 4:41:51 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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