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What does it take to teach Gun fighting?
Am Shooting Journal ^ | 11/28/2016 | J Hines

Posted on 11/28/2016 7:39:50 AM PST by w1n1

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1 posted on 11/28/2016 7:39:50 AM PST by w1n1
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Always remember the only one rule in gun fighting.....

1. There are no rules in gun fighting.


2 posted on 11/28/2016 7:48:39 AM PST by DOC44 (Have gun will travel.)
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There is one, “Have a gun.”


3 posted on 11/28/2016 7:50:07 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: w1n1

Move to Chicago


4 posted on 11/28/2016 7:50:13 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

There is one, “Have a gun.”

I ALWAYS have a gun.


5 posted on 11/28/2016 7:53:08 AM PST by DOC44 (Have gun will travel.)
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To: w1n1

practice, practice, practice.


6 posted on 11/28/2016 7:53:14 AM PST by The_Republic_Of_Maine (politicians beware)
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To: DOC44

The only rule in a gun fight is bring a gun.


7 posted on 11/28/2016 7:53:15 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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If you don’t have a gun in a gun fight, it’s not a gun fight...It’s stupidity...


8 posted on 11/28/2016 7:56:12 AM PST by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: w1n1

Cowboy movies from the 50s. One guy with a six-shooter on horseback can wipe out a gang.


9 posted on 11/28/2016 7:56:22 AM PST by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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It's the numbers that count most of all and the scripture points that out. If you're going to have a war, basically, make sure you have enough men to overcome the enemy. Any one guy good with a gun is not generally going to win the fight for you.

Some get lucky (Audie Murphy), but most die in the attempt at bravery. One fella, Sgt. York, actually outsmarted a group of Germans running at him by picking off the LAST guy running at him all the way up to just about the last one and overcame a group that way, but that is the exception to the rule. When one bad guy or group of guys goes on a rampage, the police/military show up with huge numbers. When the police/military are faced with similar numbers, the story doesn't end near as well. It's numbers.

Luke 14:31 "Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and take counsel whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming against him with twenty thousand?
Luke 14:32 "Or else, while the other is still far away, he sends a delegation and asks terms of peace.

10 posted on 11/28/2016 8:06:29 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: DOC44

There are rules to a gun fight - 5 of them in fact:

1) Gun beats no gun
If you dont carry for reason X - you have no gun
If you can’t clear a jam - you have no gun
If you run out of ammo - you have no gun

2) Fast beats slow
He who gets his gun into the fight first, usually forces the other guy to take cover.

3) A hit beats a miss
A .22 that hits does a whole lot more damage than the .44 mag that misses

{subject to the above rules}
4) big holes beat little holes
Carry the biggest hole maker that you can that meets the above rules

5) Two holes beat one hole
If it is worth shooting once, shoot it again. Remember rule #1 with regards to ammo


11 posted on 11/28/2016 8:06:54 AM PST by taxcontrol
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#6: Bring friends with guns. :-)


12 posted on 11/28/2016 8:09:15 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Ken H

Remember the old saying from that time...”The Hero has the strength of ten because his heart is pure.”


13 posted on 11/28/2016 8:10:08 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: w1n1

# 7 - Make sure your gun works!


14 posted on 11/28/2016 8:29:10 AM PST by HP8753 (Live Free!!!! .............or don't.)
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To: w1n1
I think this discussion misses some important points

As the mathematician would say, being able to shoot accurately is "necessary but not sufficient" to prevail in a gunfight. There are other considerations.

Perhaps the most important is Objective. Why are you in this gunfight in the first place? Defend against someone who attacked you? Defend your family? Defend your property? Defend your country/neighbors/innocent parties? The Objective determines much of the rest of the fight. For some objectives, the best outcome is to get away alive, not to kill the other guy. Killing the other guy is at best a means to achieving the Objective.

Tactics. Once you can shoot accurately, Tactics become the important consideration. Getting to cover. Outflanking the opponent. Finding a line of retreat, if necessary. Essentially, out-thinking the opponent. Proper tactics must be determined by the Objective.

Once you can shoot accurately, probably the best way to learn gunfighting is "force on force" training, using something like airsoft guns or regular guns loaded with wax bullets (wear adequate protective clothing). That forces you to think about tactics.

The point is, in a real gunfight or in training, the opponent gets a vote. The training has to respect that.

15 posted on 11/28/2016 8:34:56 AM PST by JoeFromSidney (,)
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16 posted on 11/28/2016 8:54:50 AM PST by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

ammo is also helpful


17 posted on 11/28/2016 9:00:19 AM PST by xp38
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To: w1n1

Speed over accuracy. Putting their heads down is just as good as hitting them in most cases.


18 posted on 11/28/2016 9:04:43 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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Though many wish otherwise, military spec ops experience does not translate well into civilian CCW or police use.
If you want to train for the end of the world in the compound, then military is fine.
Otherwise someone with instructor style police experience in your region of the country is usually the best source, combined with resources like Thunder Ranch or Gunsite.

A lot of cross pollinizing is the answer.


19 posted on 11/28/2016 9:10:10 AM PST by DesertRhino (November 8, America's Brexit!!!)
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Unlike what Hollywood would have you believe about a gun fight, most fire fights last only about 30 seconds.


20 posted on 11/28/2016 9:28:40 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Own a rifle. Be an American.)
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