DACA is not a bargaining chip, it's a wedge.

Don Surber blog ^ | January 23, 2018 | Don Surber

[bitt]

see #9

[frog in a pot]

IMHO, the formula is there for all to see:

Red Democrats (and the states they have turned Red) use immigration as a tool.

Diversity = Dilution

Dilution offers a path to world government.

[trebb]

I'm not quite as kind when I address the trolls directly....;-}

Never tell me I'm clever - it goes to my head......Thanks though....

[Yosemitest]

It's Schumer and Pelosi versus the earlier Schumer and Pelosi.
Read these quotes:

Dems’ words about the 2013 government shutdown come back to haunt them — and prove their hypocrisy

Jan 21, 2018 by Chris Enloe


2013, Schumer said on CNN’s “The Lead”

... 2013, Schumer said on CNN’s “The Lead”:
“I believe in immigration reform.
What if I persuaded my caucus to say,
‘I’m going to shut the government down,
I am going to not pay our bills unless I get my way?’
It’s a politics of idiocy, of confrontation, of paralysis.”



Charles Schumer 'This Week' Interview: New York Senator on Government Shutdown ( 4:49 )
ABC News
Published on Oct 6, 2013

“The basic line is:
No matter how strongly one feels about an issue,
you shouldn’t hold millions of people hostage.
That’s what the other side is doing.
That’s wrong and we can’t give in to that,”
he said on ABC’s “This Week.”

He further explained:
[Then-House] Speaker [John] Boehner comes in and he says, basically,
it’s sorta like this.
Someone goes into your house, takes your wife and children hostage,
and then says
‘Let’s negotiate over the price of your house.’
You know, we could do the same thing on immigration.
We believe strongly in immigration reform.
We could say,
‘We’re shutting down the government,
we’re not gonna raise the debt ceiling, until you pass immigration reform.’
It would be governmental chaos.

... At the time, Pelosi called the GOP “legislative arsonists.”
“I call them ‘legislative arsonists.’
They’re there to burn down what we should be building up in terms of investments and education and scientific research,
and all that it is that makes our country great and competitive,” she said.

According to the Washington Examiner, Pelosi later called the shutdown an “unthinkable tactic” employed by the GOP.
“I join the American people in their disgust in what happened in terms of the shutdown of government.
That’s an unthinkable tactic to use in a political debate,” she said. ...

[mairdie]

I enjoy it when you’re clever. Language can be such fun when used by one with wit. Too many go for the cheap jokes or the quick, and endlessly repeated, one liners. Just know that your effort is never wasted.

[NorthMountain]

Deport All Criminal Aliens

[caww]

This was a great read........should be required for those who get their pants in a knot when things appear other than what they want to see and hear.....

Also reveals how Trump operates...sort of...at least in this venue. He’s a true wonder to watch! I love it!

Thanks for posting that and the entire thread is a good read.....kudos to you!

[mairdie]

Kudos taken for the article writer, and then for our great thread writers. Many clever people in FR whose comments are whipped away in the wind of arguments but, hopefully, never forgotten.

[mairdie]

PING

[Nifster]

Works for me

[trebb]

Thanks so much - I got my ironic/wry sense of humor from my Dad - he also taught me that one of the best assets one can have is the ability to laugh at yourself. He was wont to say, “If you can’t laugh at yourself, I’ll laugh at you until you can.”.

[mairdie]

Your father was a brilliant and natural philosopher. Sounds like a good man.

[trebb]

He was - not a saint (way too ....interesting....for sainthood) but a good man.

[mairdie]

Then you were exceptionally lucky.

Mother left father when I was 6 weeks old because he was an alcoholic, and she worried what would happen to my brother and me if she got sick. I was raised by her and grandparents that I adored. And while grandfather was a wonderful male role model, I so wished for that mercurial, brilliant soldier/poet who died in my childhood.

You had an interesting father. I’m green with envy, and so happy for you.

[trebb]

Adversity can make us better and stronger - sounds like that happened with you, your Mom and your Grandparents.

Lost my first wife due to my own drinking and it took a long time to be able to do much more for my children than to keep up support payments 9paid a lot more than I was legally bound to do as I got sober shortly after the wife left with them).

Turns out their mother hooked up with some men that made me look like a Boy Scout and God must have helped keep it from me because I think I would have committed a very serious sin if I had known. My kids ended up transitioning through my home as young adults and are both doing good now - they call my current wife "Mom" and have nothing to do with their mother.

Been sober for over 29 years and I think I am probably a better person for having gone through my earlier transgressions and developing a new love for what life can be.

Sorry you missed out on your Dad's company - my ex grew up without a Father because her mother left her Dad when she was very young and she ended up very bitter and had some serious issues that I was unaware of when we got married - it sounds like you were very fortunate to have a loving home vs. a bitter one.

My own Dad had his bouts of drinking and it caused strife in our home when I was younger and we were estranged for some of my early adulthood (he was a good father when I was very young and he taught me many useful skills but the friction between him and Mom kept thing tense, especially as I got older and fell into the same alcohol trap he had been mired in) - he got his act straight, I got my own act straight, and we became very close for the last 15 years of his life. Goes to show that adversity can have an upside if God is involved.

God Bless

[mairdie]

Adversity does fire character and turn it to steel. You prove that.

Missing a father was not adversity to me - just a hole in my life that I’ve spent decades trying to fill. If I’m strong, then grandmother should be smiling. She was too strong for my mother, as father was. Mother was intellect. Grandmother and father were pure emotion. I’m the mix. Father placed mother on a pedestal where mother never wanted to be. She was his muse when all she wanted was a loaf of bread from the grocery. In one of his letters begging her to come back he wrote that he didn’t understand little girls - he taught rifle to boys and young men - but he hoped I’d understand. And I do, in a way mother never could have.

As for the alcohol, that was the intellectual part of me. Mother explained that I had the extremism of my father and that if I ever touched alcohol I would become an alcoholic. The risk was too great so I’ve never touched alcohol. Since I get high with the joy of life, that was never something I missed.

I’m with my second spouse, too, but had a much easier time of it than you did. Bruce brought me flowers the day of the divorce and I split the debts with him 50/50. And that Christmas I filled his freezer with steaks. I still love him to this day. We were better friends than spice.

I’m so glad you have children. There’s a part of you that will be living down through the ages and many of those descendants will make a mark that you would be proud to know. And you show them the character of strength and love and protectiveness that will enrich their lives. That’s a wonderful heritage.

Without children, I can only leave my research and my writing. And my music video art. But I write! I’ve got close to 30,000 web pages up and everything I learn I push out to everyone. Mother was brilliant and I’m a pale imitation. But she used that incredible mind to play mental games, not leave anything behind. As she was dying, she asked how everything she knew could disappear. That is where I put my effort. Everything I know WON’T disappear if the computer archives are up to it.

So one of the things I have up are the love letters from father to mother, as well as his marvelous poetry. I put them up on the web over 20 years ago. A gentleman wrote back then and asked to bring them to his fathers’ support group because they express so well what divorced fathers feel.

http://www.iment.com/maida/family/father/letters.htm

And you don’t need blessing. You’re doing a brilliant job of living your life. Keep inspiring your children!

[trebb]

I read a couple of the letters and find them fascinating - both for the content and for the poetic "old-timey" nature. From the mind/heart of a philosopher-poet and I felt a kinship with the frustrated suffering so well expressed. Have bookmarked for future reading.

I'm so glad we had this conversation.

[mairdie]

All my heart and caring.