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As people became more organized, they found more ways to exist together without bloodshed.

Most tribal societies live in a constant fear of raids, homicide, and massacres.

1 posted on 04/09/2018 11:35:31 AM PDT by marktwain
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"It makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way."

~Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian

2 posted on 04/09/2018 11:38:30 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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The biggest battle site in North America, before the Civil War, was in Montana where two Indian tribes tried to exterminate each other.


3 posted on 04/09/2018 11:43:49 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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“His 100 years of experience agreed that men are routinely selfish, combative, and violent.”

Sharp as a tack at 100 years old but I bet he learned that lesson early in life.


4 posted on 04/09/2018 11:48:26 AM PDT by moovova
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“He states that ...until the late 19th century, civilized soldiers were at a slight disadvantage in fire weaponry when facing primitive bowmen.I disagree.”

He’s wrong. Civilized soldiers were at a huge disadvantage when facing plains and southwestern Indians. It was not until the advent of the lever-action rifle that the tables turned.


5 posted on 04/09/2018 11:49:12 AM PDT by dsc (Our system of government cannot survive one-party control of communications.)
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Both bows and early firearms suffered in wet weather. Bows because bowstrings became useless when wet...

They do?

7 posted on 04/09/2018 11:55:48 AM PDT by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill.)
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Roy nodded in agreement. His 100 years of experience agreed that men are routinely selfish, combative, and violent.

Pay attention to the Bible. Genesis covers this point very well. We learn in the Bible that man is sinful by nature. They aren't breading new ground here.

8 posted on 04/09/2018 11:57:53 AM PDT by RatRipper (Unindicted co-conspirators: the Mainstream Media and the Democratic Party)
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“Tribal Wars of the Southern Plains” by Stan Hoig is another book that quite eloquently describes this.


14 posted on 04/09/2018 12:44:19 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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I am reminded of a cartoon I saw about forty years ago, that shows a team of archeologists looking in a pit they had dug. In the pit are several skeletons, with arrows and spears sticking out of the bones. One archaeologist says, “3.75 million years old ... And they were definitely humn.”


15 posted on 04/09/2018 1:00:14 PM PDT by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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Related subject: (Russeau mentioned) The Dark Side of the Enlightenment The source article is, unfortunately, behind a paywall. It’s a gem.

17 posted on 04/09/2018 1:01:53 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Presses can be 'associated,' or presses can be independent. Demand independent presses.)
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Most tribal societies live in a constant fear of raids, homicide, and massacres.

Witness Chicago.

18 posted on 04/09/2018 1:04:51 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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This reviewer takes issue with the author’s philosophy - namely the author seems to advocate for a ‘one world system’ as a workable solution for future peace:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303263602_Book_Review_of_WAR_BEFORE_CIVILIZATION

Does anyone who has read the book care to weigh in on this?


19 posted on 04/09/2018 1:05:02 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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” He states that “...until the late 19th century, civilized soldiers were at a slight disadvantage in fire weaponry when facing primitive bowmen.””

He is pretty close. Until repeating arms were common, bows were pretty much superior. Comanches with bows pretty much rolled back the Texas frontier about 150 miles and held it until revolvers came out.

I’ve used a basic osage plains bow with metal tipped dogwood arrows and it was shocking how fast and accurately it will snap out an arrow. A guy with a muzzle loader would be doomed and usually was.
As far as superiority of a muzzleloader over a bow in the rain...a flintlock was even worse.

And very few indian attacks were done in the rain or in winter for common sense reasons alone. That “sense to get out of the rain” thing.


20 posted on 04/09/2018 1:09:33 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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bump


28 posted on 04/09/2018 2:52:11 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (We're even doing the right thing for them. They just don't know it yet. --Donald Trump, CPAC '18)
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I disagree. The primitive bowmen immediately transitioned to muskets as soon as they could obtain them.

Maybe a misunderstanding about what is primitive. Nonwestern empires acquired muskets early on. Tribes usually waited for rifles to appear.

32 posted on 04/09/2018 5:48:37 PM PDT by x
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