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Man Fatally Shot By Cops While Unlawfully Confiscating His Guns In Serving “Red Flag” Order
DC Clothesline ^ | 11/06/2018 | Tim Brown

Posted on 11/06/2018 5:15:03 AM PST by deandg99

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To: deandg99

The red flag laws allow law enforcement to seek a court order to temporarily restrict people’s access to firearms when they show “red flags” that they are a danger to themselves or others.

In Maryland, the problem must be reported by either a relative, other household residents like roommates, or health care professionals. So, the cops didn’t just break in and shoot the guy. It had to be reported that he was a noted risk by those close to him or health professional. It went through the court procedures for determination, and an attempt was made to carry out the determination. These laws were put in place by the state legislators and were co-written by twenty-six representatives that were elected. The National Rifle Association has even claimed to favor some of these laws.

There is no law that is designed as a true fix for anything other than carrying out capital punishment. The article doesn’t identify what the grounds were for the court to remove his weapons or who it was filed by. But the cops can’t do it themselves unless it was connect with a crime. And this article was about the use of State senate bill 707, not crime.

What we do know by the article is he was in possession of a fire arm, put it down, then went back to it and the weapon in the struggle to get it away from him discharged and he was shot at that point. The cops coming in would, I’m sure, have rather been at the coffee stand with a donut than wrestling with a man armed with a handgun. So this wasn’t personal as far as we can see. It was the carrying out of laws placed into effect by the voters’ choice of people to make these decisions and the shooter became a danger to himself and the cops. If he had fought it in court rather than in his living room, it might have been different. He’d be alive.

Sometimes it is better to work with the law rather than physically resist. They weren’t there to arrest him, just relieve him of his first line opportunity to harm himself or others as determined by a court from family and/or medical pros.

Somewhere along the line, he proved himself dangerous. I wouldn’t want him to own or carry a gun either. It’s one thing to get the determination changed for the legal action. It’s another to cause your death by physically resisting. That in itself raises a red flag.

rwood


21 posted on 11/06/2018 6:24:19 AM PST by Redwood71
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To: deandg99

This isn’t the first time that the gestapo came to execute this unconstitutional order in MD.

“Since the new gun confiscation law went into effect on October 1st, police have carried out 19 such confiscation orders, which comes out to around one such seizure every other day.”

https://www.infowars.com/maryland-cops-shoot-man-to-death-in-his-home-for-resisting-gun-confiscation/

I’m glad he fought back. Unfortunately law enforcement won’t stop executing these unconstitutional dangerous orders until they themselves experience casualties.

LEOs take an oath to defend the constitution. They should know better and unless they wise up, they will reap the whirlwind.


22 posted on 11/06/2018 6:29:23 AM PST by grumpygresh (Abolish administrative law. It's regressive, medieval and unconstitutional!)
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To: deandg99

You didn’t create the article. So why didn’t you post the whole thing?

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The man, whose name was not released, answered his door in the 100 block of Linwood Ave. at 5:17 a.m. with a gun in his hand, said Sgt. Jacklyn Davis, an Anne Arundel County Police spokeswoman.

He initially put it down, but then picked it up again, she said.

“A fight ensued over the gun,” Davis said.

During the struggle, the gun went off but did not strike anyone. At that point, the officers fatally shot the man, she said. No officers were injured, police said.

The man killed was Gary Willis, a longtime resident of the neighborhood, said Michele Willis, who was on the scene Monday morning and identified herself as his niece.

The new protective orders, which family members, police or others may seek to temporarily prohibit people’s access to firearms when they show red flags that they are a danger to themselves or others, went into effect Oct. 1.

OK, does that sound anything like Mr. Willis’ rights that are to be protected under the Fifth Amendment?

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Nope, sounds nothing like it. There was no due process of law as these officers attempted to rob this man in broad daylight of his property. Mr. Willis was not indicted, convicted or otherwise accused of a crime, was he? Nope.

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These brownshirts were merely following orders, unlawful orders I might add, just like the Nazis before them, and lest you think I’m too strong in my wording, how many of you reading this think they were in the right? How many of you reading this believe Mr. Willis should have just surrendered to the bandits? How many of you think he should have just been polite? I know the only polite thing would have been to close the door on them and come back when they had a warrant due to a crime being committed.

This is about to get a lot worse in places around the country that buy into these lawless red flag “laws.”

My friend and author David Risselada has written extensively on Red Flag “laws.” If you are unfamiliar with them and how they are stepping stones to full gun confiscation, I suggest you read these two pieces.

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23 posted on 11/06/2018 6:35:27 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Redwood71

He only proved himself dangerous when he was accosted in his home by jackbooted thugs trying to steal his property.

They had no warrant and so had no reason to be at his door in the first place.

If he had committed a crime it would be a different story, but he did not.

We cannot, according to our constitution, pre-emptively arrest people for crimes they “might” commit. We cannot let the liberals get into that mindset else every Patriot will be behind bars for some future offense.


24 posted on 11/06/2018 6:35:40 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: deandg99

Stories like these make me want to invest in a ballistic resistant door.


25 posted on 11/06/2018 6:39:28 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

A really Big One!


26 posted on 11/06/2018 6:44:35 AM PST by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: gnawbone; Pollster1

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Who in their right mind would do that? Maybe the Red Flag was needed in this case.
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Someone comes a ‘knocking’ on your door @ 5AM...


27 posted on 11/06/2018 6:49:31 AM PST by i_robot73 (One could not count the number of *solutions*, if only govt followed\enforced the Constitution.)
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To: taxcontrol

Then install the door yourself without attracting anyone’s attention if at all possible as some places don’t allow such doors.


28 posted on 11/06/2018 6:51:42 AM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: taxcontrol

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mkWJ3wUd5u8

Folks in Alaska install anti bear doors. A side benefit is swat denial. LOL. So much for the element of surprise...


29 posted on 11/06/2018 6:53:53 AM PST by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!)
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30 posted on 11/06/2018 7:07:52 AM PST by PROCON ('Progressive' is a Euphemism for Totalitarian)
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To: deandg99

Drove out of the Peoples Republic of Maryland on 09 October.. to retire in Georgia. Maryland is a liberal shxthole.


31 posted on 11/06/2018 7:12:04 AM PST by maddog55
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To: ClearCase_guy

I read a Day in a The Life...46 years ago I think

He was so prescient .


32 posted on 11/06/2018 7:15:15 AM PST by wardaddy (I donÂ’t care that youÂ’re not a racist......when the shooting starts it wonÂ’t matter what you were)
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To: gnawbone
Yeah, the Red Flag law is bad but geeezzz ... you answer a door with a gun in your hand when the police are the ones that are knocking?

He may not have known who was knocking - it depends on how his home is laid out. It's a bad law and bad decisions combining to produce the expected bad consequences. I hope the person who reported him feels guilty for the rest of his (her?) life.

33 posted on 11/06/2018 7:15:49 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: gnawbone; Chode; Squantos; Lockbox; snooter55; OldMissileer; All

At 05:17 I would be armed also!!! This is BS. There is no reason for this to happen at that hour, 08:00 - 17:00 I probably won’t be holding a Firearm.

Did the cops ID themselves ? Probably Not. From the Article there was NO Search Warrant either. And it’s UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!!


34 posted on 11/06/2018 7:29:40 AM PST by mabarker1 (Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!!)
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To: Pollster1
Yeah, the Red Flag law is bad but geeezzz ... you answer a door with a gun in your hand when the police are the ones that are knocking?

How many in here with a defense firearm will throw open their door in the dark without it after being woke up at 5am by pounding on your front door ? These cops approached this with the attitude they use on an early morning drug raid. Unless this guy was known as a hothead with anti cop prior encounters, these cops used lousy judgement for a non criminal action.

35 posted on 11/06/2018 7:31:37 AM PST by redcatcherb412
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To: null and void

Over here.

Double Jeopardy.


36 posted on 11/06/2018 7:32:43 AM PST by TADSLOS (I hate Russian Dolls. They are so full of themselves.)
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To: taxcontrol

Or some Claymores.


37 posted on 11/06/2018 7:35:45 AM PST by mabarker1 (Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!!)
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To: Redwood71
people to make these decisions and the shooter became a danger to himself and the cops. If he had fought it in court rather than in his living room, it might have been different. He’d be alive.

Sometimes it is better to work with the law rather than physically resist. They weren’t there to arrest him, just relieve him of his first line opportunity to harm himself or others as determined by a court from family and/or medical pros.

Somewhere along the line, he proved himself dangerous. I wouldn’t want him to own or carry a gun either. It’s one thing to get the determination changed for the legal action. It’s another to cause your death by physically resisting. That in itself raises a red flag.

That's an awful lot of assumptions. Even goes into the realm of thought crime, because we don't know if the guy committed a crime beforehand. Should we now allow ourselves to submit to checks before we ask the government to allow us to exercise our God-given Natural Rights?

38 posted on 11/06/2018 8:09:34 AM PST by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: taxcontrol

Get a heavy wood door with a heavy-duty double-bolt system, that locks both on the side of the knob, as well as top and bottom. Obviously, also make sure the frame is sufficiently strengthened.


39 posted on 11/06/2018 8:20:11 AM PST by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: redcatcherb412; Pollster1

"...opening the door to pounding at 5:00 am..."


Not me. I would leave the door securely LOCKED and assess what was happening from safely inside my residence.
It is puzzling to me why people open their doors pre-dawn when not expecting valid, real, and genuine visitors.


40 posted on 11/06/2018 8:25:25 AM PST by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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