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To: Macho MAGA Man

Can you cite EXACTLY where that definition is in the Constitution? A lot of people just make up stuff.


12 posted on 08/30/2023 10:13:50 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Most of the words in the Constitution are not defined in the Constitution. They are not defined because there was widespread consensus on the definition. At the time of the writing of the Constitution & the 14th amendment there was consensus on the definition of natural born citizen and the definition of "jurisdiction over". Anyone with any doubt can review the letters, essays & speeches of the founders. Similarly there is contemporaneous discussion re the 14th amendment intended specifically to address the citizenship of slaves & exslaves, people whom no other Country had jurisdiction over.

This source highlights many pertinent writings & speeches to inform your opinion on what the founders meant by natural born citizen. When supreme court justices are appointed Conservatives choose those who interpret the Constitution as the founders intended based on the writings of the time rather than ruling on the basis of a debased judicially created modern interpretation.
We leave that for the liberals, America's enemies.

Origins & Interpretation of Presidential Eligibility Clause

The 14th Amendment doesn’t say that all persons born in the U.S. are citizens. It says that “[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” are citizens. That second, critical, conditional phrase is conveniently ignored or misinterpreted by advocates of “birthright” citizenship.

Critics erroneously believe that anyone present in the United States has “subjected” himself “to the jurisdiction” of the United States, which would extend citizenship to the children of tourists, diplomats, and illegal aliens alike.

But that is not what that qualifying phrase means. Its original meaning refers to the political allegiance of an individual and the jurisdiction that a foreign government has over that individual.

The fact that a tourist or illegal alien is subject to our laws and our courts if they violate our laws does not place them within the political “jurisdiction” of the United States as that phrase was defined by the framers of the 14th Amendment.

This amendment’s language was derived from the 1866 Civil Rights Act, which provided that “[a]ll persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power” would be considered citizens.

39 posted on 08/30/2023 10:38:16 AM PDT by JayGalt (A proud slave must be broken before the contagion spreads. Ever was it thus.)
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To: nickcarraway

It’s not defined in the Constitution.


64 posted on 08/30/2023 10:54:30 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: nickcarraway
Can you cite EXACTLY where that definition is in the Constitution? A lot of people just make up stuff.

The definition is not in the US Constitution. So far as I know, the constitution only defines the word "Treason", and nothing else.

The definition for "natural born citizen" is in Vattel's Law of Nations.

151 posted on 08/30/2023 12:33:44 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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