How the Birth Control Pill Hurts Boys

gobucks | 29 Oct 2004 | gobucks

[gobucks]

Many thanks. FR is like a conservative samizdat factory; I love it here.

[gobucks]

It worked before, when kids were financial assets, being extra hands on the farm. But in today's urban world, where kids have no economic value until they're long out of the nest, it's just not practical. Birth control, love it or hate it, is a modern necessity in our society.

Dd, birth control is not a 'modern necessity'. Birth control pills, do however, create 'modern thinking', like your post, and includs a fascination w/ inappropriate images (and I would argue most of those randy types you refer to are libertarians).

And to imply that the purpose of our kids is that they were 'financial assests' completely misses the point of my article, besides being not true. Kids were an attribute of sex and, usually, marriage, period in those days. The financial asset theory is a convenient hindsight-is-20/20 characterization.

Our kids are necessary for our boys to become Men. (Now, being a brit, chances are very, very, VERY good that you're familiar w/ the Premiership League - maybe you are a Chelsea fan?)

In the UK, I have noticed a dramatic drop in interest regarding anything associated w/ the Anglican Church (well under 1 in 10 Brits even think of going to church much less going each sunday..).

[thulldud]

His point is well taken, though, that the Pill provided the occasion for the divorce between sex and responsibility. There were other factors which could be taken into account: mass media using sex to sell cars and soap, soft porn, and the bogus reports by Alfred Kinsey and Margaret Mead which each contributed significantly.

I don't think the Pill alone would have done it.

[gobucks]

" I don't think the Pill alone would have done it."

agreed; but given the sheer volume of noise about so many conservative subjects, the silence about the Pill is striking. Yet, as an entry point, it shouldn't be I think.

The Pill is the thin edge of the wedge.

[Sloth]

I told him a woman who doesn't take the Pill is a far more interesting creature to pay attention to ... because ultimately, she is capable of loving him more, by seeking to help him grow up.

Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to tell my wife tonight that 1.) she's not interesting, and 2.) she doesn't love me very much.

[Rytwyng]

But in today's urban world, where kids have no economic value until they're long out of the nest, it's just not practical.

Moslems in urban Europe are having large families. If they can do it, why can't we? In fact, if we don't, we're DOOMED.

[Rytwyng]

I would argue most of those randy types you refer to are libertarians

Don't confuse strong desire ("randy") with loose behavior. Sometimes religous monogamists have the highest sex drives of all.

[Rytwyng]

I would argue most of those randy types you refer to are libertarians

Don't confuse strong desire ("randy") with loose behavior. Sometimes religous monogamists have the highest sex drives of all.

[petitfour]

A kid every nine months?????????? You did not do well in biology????????????? And do you believe pregnant couples no longer have sex??????????

[gobucks]

Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to tell my wife tonight that 1.) she's not interesting, and 2.) she doesn't love me very much.

I'm familiar w/ your sarcasm from your previous disagreements with me, so your reply is not interesting and it makes you sound like you are not a grown up.

One wonders 'what you'll be sure' to tell your sons about this 'info'...

[gobucks]

"Sometimes religous monogamists have the highest sex drives of all."

I agree ... but I think he's referring to postings by folks who clearly intend to sound like they are NOT religious monogamists....

[Sloth]

I'm familiar w/ your sarcasm from your previous disagreements with me

*shrug* I don't remember dealing with you at all.

so your reply is not interesting and it makes you sound like you are not a grown up.

OK. Next time, don't insult my wife, and I won't have reason to respond.

[freedumb2003]

Pretty good.

As an aside, any "man" that lets his wife use a hyphenated name should turn his member in at the door.

[dennisw]

welll done!

[Modernman]

I told him a woman who doesn't take the Pill is a far more interesting creature to pay attention to ... because ultimately, she is capable of loving him more, by seeking to help him grow up.

Utter nonsense. I didn't need a woman to help me grow up nor have I ever seen any difference between women who take the pil and those that do not.

[gobucks]

Many thanks!

[gobucks]

'Modernman' ... if being modern means that "I didn't need a woman to help me grow up nor have I ever seen any difference between women who take the pil and those that do not.",

well, then I guess I am quite glad I'm not modern. I needed my mother to help me grow up, and my wife has definitely given me added help to grow up more, thank god.

[gobucks]

" OK. Next time, don't insult my wife, and I won't have reason to respond."

oh please. The context of the statement was my son would encounter single women who deliberately choose BCPs as the preferred way of life, and he would be better off choosing to encounter single women who chose NOT to use BCPs as a way of life. I didn't speak about married women (though I have thoughts on this too.)

[gobucks]

"As an aside, any "man" that lets his wife use a hyphenated name should turn his member in at the door".

I once spoke to a fellow who served as the admitting official at a hospital that performed sex change ops. I asked to confirm or deny a rumor I had heard: that 99 out 100 sex change ops are men switching to women. He said its true.

Too many men are indeed 'turning in his member'. One wonders what is so burdensome about the equipment they were issued.

[Sloth]

oh please. The context of the statement was my son would encounter single women who deliberately choose BCPs as the preferred way of life, and he would be better off choosing to encounter single women who chose NOT to use BCPs as a way of life.

I'd agree with that sentiment, but I wonder how he is going to know which women don't take them?

Incidentally, my wife took them when she was single -- for the treatment of severe endometriosis symptoms that would otherwise leave her nearly unable to move one week out of every month.