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To: Motherbear
Have you seen the film? If you had, you would know that the movie WILL make a difference. It is powerful, and it touches peoples' hearts and souls. We should be less interested in promoting our own issues and more interested in the fact that the message of God's love and unconditional forgiveness could reach millions through this film.

The filmmakers are Godly men. You do not know them, and you don't know God's purpose in putting Chad in this position. Incidentally, we didn't know God's purpose in allowing 5 Godly missionaries to die in 1956....but He has used that to inspire millions and draw them closer to Him.

38 posted on 01/21/2006 10:17:28 AM PST by I'm ALL Right! (Love God, Love Others.)
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To: I'm ALL Right!
The filmmakers are Godly men.

And in a business flooded with starving actors...they chose Chad Allen.
(OK, that's the comment of someone that's not in the film bidness).

I am ambivalent about this situation. I wish the film well, but
wonder about the discernment of casting this particular actor
for this particular role.

But who knows what the long-term effect will be on Chad Allen and
viewers for having this story finally come to the big screen?
I grew up in a conservative religious environment and I'd never heard
of this story until about five years ago on Christian talk radio
(99.5KKLA in Los Angeles).
Maybe I'll just settle for being happy that someone finally
got this story on film (and thus DVDs to go around the world)
47 posted on 01/21/2006 10:37:05 AM PST by VOA
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To: I'm ALL Right!

Hey, AMR, for what it's worth, I agree with you 110.5%

This guy is gay, but nowhere does he try to preach gayness from the movie, and, quite frankly, I have no love for sexually immoral or drunken people in Christian entertainment at all, but we are all sinners. You go to hell as much for an addiction for masturbation as an addiction to homosexuality. Sin is sin and sinners are sinners. In God's eyes, the only difference between myself and a homosexual or a murderer, is that I have turned to Him for salvation and am trying to change.

What do we do when unrepentant sinners poke their ugly heads up in Christian movies? Well, we go to the movie, take what we can from it, and teach ourselves and our children discernment. Let children know the proclivities of the actors in these flicks, but don't let them associate Nate Saint with this pervert, and don't let an unrepentant sinner's presence in a Christian movie keep you from seeing it; I saw it yesterday, and it was a powerful film, not for homosexuality, but for Christianity.

"Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends" John 15:13

"For whoever seeks to save his life shall lose it, but whoever loses it for my sake shall find it" Matthew 6:25

"...love your enemies, do good to those who hate you" Luke 6:27

This doesn't, as some freepers have worried, say that Christians can't punish people or fight evil when they must, but, as C.S. Lewis says in "Mere Christianity" "we must not hate or enjoy hating". Mere Christianity is an excellent companion to any Christian film or Bible study, as it shows a mature Christian's exposition of Scripture.

I am not trying to sound prideful, but I think that the son of the Morning is laughing at the Sons and Daughters of God who are trying to slime this movie.

If Lucifer can get us to disregard the message of "End of the Spear" and focus on the gayness of an actor, than he has won a battle that he feared he'd lose.

The man playing Nate Saint may put on a brave face to the world, but I have no doubt that he is screaming inside, weeping because he knows he is lie. I know what that is like from personal experience {I wasn't a homosexual, but I had another, equally filthy besetting sin}, I know what it's like to have nightmares of demons taunting you, of flames ripping up in front of shadowy faces, and of a constant niggling in my brain that tells me that I am inescapably d*mned, that not even Christ can save me.


My mindset at that time, and the mindset of many who have fallen into sexual sins probably mirriors a quote from the Mad at the World "That Lonesome Road":

"Free, I used to be so free/then I gave away my faith so willingly/Bound by those sins I used to hate/I feel for those lies from hell that tell me it's to late/and this'll be my fate. {Chorus: So I'm travelling down that lonesome road/my head is heavy and my soul so cold/and it feels like Satan's waiting there for me/he lives on the end of this one way street}"

Despite this I always played the role of the good Christian on the outside, until one time I punched a hole in a wall and broke down in front of my family.

Am I saying that this young actor's besetting perversion is alright? No, I am saying that homosexuality is a perversion from the black pits of hell,but that homosexuals are folk who need Christ's love, and that the people at Every Tribe showed one of them that love. He may never change,but he doesn't need to be told he is wrong at every turn; he probably knows that already in his heart and from what he's heard from the Christian community. But some people tried to reach him with compassion, and that's all they can really do, all any Christian can do. We are not the Holy Spirit.

That's my 2 cents at least. Forgive me if I have offended any fellow Christians in speaking my mind. I meant to share my view, not to offend or attack anyone.


53 posted on 01/21/2006 11:20:02 AM PST by vastrightwing_armadillo (always burrowin', and drivin' liberal yard-owners insane)
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To: I'm ALL Right!
I agree with you. Christians I know who have or are planning to, are going with Nat in mind, not the actor. They plan to see the film, in spite of who is in it. In this way, they send their own message. If interviewed afterward, as some have been, they will say openly, this is God's way of showing this man the truth. It will be up to him whether or not he hears it.

This actor is like the harlot who Jesus said "go and sin no more". This man can profess anything he wants, he knows in his heart whether or not he is following Gods word. It's up to him to change, not us.
64 posted on 01/21/2006 5:19:41 PM PST by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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