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To: PatrickHenry
Pigeons. It's amazing how adaptable they are - and are yet one species... Darwin loved 'em - quite a pigeon fancier.

And the funny thing is... no matter how "far out" the breeding went, subsequent generations always returned to the archetype. They could only go so far. Yin. Yang. Theses. Antithesis. And always back to sythesis...

56 posted on 07/10/2006 12:54:11 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom

I was quite shocked to find that there are over 100,000 hits on Google for "sythesis."


57 posted on 07/10/2006 1:00:27 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: Lexinom

"Pigeons. It's amazing how adaptable they are - and are yet one species..."

Um no, there are many many species of pigeons. Try again.


58 posted on 07/10/2006 1:01:18 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: Lexinom
And the funny thing is... no matter how "far out" the breeding went, subsequent generations always returned to the archetype

So the city pigeons we have here in Florida should all look like wild pigeons.

But they do not. There are white pigeons, and calico pigeons, and brown pigeons, and many other types of pigeons. Why have they not returned to the archetype?

65 posted on 07/10/2006 1:13:25 PM PDT by HayekRocks
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To: Lexinom
Pigeons. It's amazing how adaptable they are - and are yet one species...

No. There are many species of pigeons and doves. A little over 300 IIRC, although only one species was domesticated, several thousand years ago. There are several dozen species just in the Genus to which the domestic pigeon, Columba livia, belongs. (The terms "pigeon" and "dove" are effectively interchangeable. The smaller species in the pigeon family are more apt to be called "doves".)

I'll assume when you say pigeons are "one species" you mean to refer to the fact that the domestic pigeon, including it's various and wildly varying breeds; the wild rock pigeon; and the feral pigeon (wild domestic pigeons like you find living in cities, which are somewhat different from, and more various in plumage and behavior than, the pure wild Rock Pigeon) are all the same species. This much (I *think*) is true.

And the funny thing is... no matter how "far out" the breeding went, subsequent generations always returned to the archetype.

Um, no. I don't *think* this is true. First of all feral pigeons never (quite) return to the full form of the true wild Rock Pigeon. The later exists in pure form almost exclusively in remote regions.

I'm almost certain that the "always" is false. I'd bet many of the well established breeds, e.g. carrier pigeons (not to be confused with homing pigeons, but rather the breed with the wattles around its beak and eyes, and the unusual tall and upright stance), breed true to form over however many generations.

Rock Pigeon (This looks like either a wild one or a feral resembling the wild type. Feral pigeons come in many other color patterns as well.)

Carrier Pigeon

156 posted on 07/10/2006 8:08:01 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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