[metmom]

Reread the post. I provided one but you can pick your own. Why not yours? Why not use the standard *defintion of universe as used by scientists* defintion, like all the rest of the special definitions you guys use? It'll work for me.

Debating over the definition of *universe* still doesn't answer the question of whether or not it could have created itself. It's just avoiding the issue. Nor is *Why not?* any kind of respectable scientific answer.

[ml1954]

Debating over the 'definition' of *universe* still doesn't answer the question of whether or not it could have created itself.

Do you see the irony?