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Backup Doping Test Begins in Landis Case
AP ^ | Aug 03 10:16 AM | JENNY BARCHFIELD

Posted on 08/03/2006 12:58:31 PM PDT by Vision

CHATENAY-MALABRY, France

Testing began Thursday on Tour de France winner Floyd Landis' backup doping sample, and one of his lawyers reiterated he expects it, too, will show elevated testosterone levels.

However, Landis is "certain he hasn't ingested any prohibited substance," said lawyer Jose Maria Buxeda. "He knows there is a natural explanation to the (initial) finding.

"He's pretty sure we will be able to prove, if this result is confirmed, that it is due to natural causes, to a natural reaction of his body, either (normally) or in the circumstances he was in that particular stage."

The result of the "B" sample test will not be available before Saturday, Buxeda told The Associated Press outside the French lab conducting the analysis.

But the process of determining whether the American cyclist is guilty of doping or whether his body naturally produced the higher than normal testosterone levels could take six months to a year, the Spanish attorney said.

Buxeda and another lawyer, Luis Sanz, were present for the start of the testing. Landis was in the United States.

"The reason why Mr. Sanz and myself said that probably the result is going to be the same is because statistically the results of the `B' sample usually _ not always _ but usually confirm the results of the `A' sample," said Buxeda, speaking in English.

Landis showed a testosterone imbalance in an initial urine sample taken during the Tour de France. Both "A" and "B" samples were provided July 20 after he sped his way back into contention after winning the tough Stage 17 of the three-week Tour.

Michael Henson, a spokesman for Landis, confirmed Tuesday that the July 20 urine test turned up an 11:1 testosterone/epitestosterone ratio _ far above the 4:1 limit allowed.

He acknowledged Wednesday that a carbon isotope ratio test, which detects synthetic testosterone, had been done on the "A" sample. He would not divulge the result, but the New York Times has reported that Landis' personal doctor, Brent Kay, confirmed the sample tested positive for synthetic testosterone.

On Thursday, Buxeda contended that even lab results that show the banned substance was synthetic, introduced from an outside source, would only be a "presumption" _ not a certainty

"I wouldn't say that they (lab experts) know," Buxeda said. "I would say they can presume. They do not have the certainty. ... It is only a presumption."


David Cowan, director of the Drug Control Center at King's College in London, said the carbon isotope ratio test "is the most definitive measure we have at this time."

"If there is a synthetic found (in the sample) than any defense is difficult to prove," he said.


Buxeda suggested Landis' positive result could have been produced by a combination of "dehydration, maximum effort. It's been said alcohol."

"We have to study all these factors," he said, referring to Landis' comments that he and teammates drank beer and whiskey after stage 16.

Landis has said he would undergo further tests to prove his body's natural metabolism _ not doping _ caused the elevated result.

If the "B" sample is positive, the results will be sent to the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, which would handle the case. If found guilty, Landis would be stripped of the Tour de France title and banned for two years.

"The process could be six, eight months till one year," said Buxeda, who represented Spanish cyclist Roberto Heras when he was suspended for two years after testing positive for EPO.

"Of course, if it doesn't confirm the `A; sample, the case is closed," Buxeda said. Under UCI rules, a negative `B' sample is accepted as the definitive response and the positive `A' sample is ignored.


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KEYWORDS: cycling; floydlandis; landis; tdf; tourdefrance
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To: Vision

Professional atheltics, particularly sports like track and field, have gotten to a point where drugs are simply a prerequisite for success at the world class level. That at least is what I have read. Maybe cycling has reached this point now too. It's a shame really.


21 posted on 08/03/2006 2:31:01 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Republicain
I respect the Tour for actually busting the winner. That would never happen in a lot of cases. I've read about positive tests in track that were carefully covered up. (Although the co-world record holder in the 100 meters was busted the other day.)
22 posted on 08/03/2006 2:32:43 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Republicain
"In opposition to all the rubbish I can read sometimes here about a supposed plot against Floyd Landis because he's American, I can tell you that nobody has anything to win in this affair."

Well, Armstrong had fans spitting in his face during the Tour, and a lot of Euros resented his wins, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone would be tempted to taint Landis's urine samples. The European press is full of rubbish about America, about Bush, etc., so I really wouldn't put it past them.

Meanwhile, everyone has almost forgotten that the two pre-race favorites - Basso and Ullrich - both have been implicated in the Spanish scandal, and the evidence against them also seems rather compelling. So maybe, as some say, everyone does it.
23 posted on 08/03/2006 2:35:12 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: dennis1x
if you cant master the "medical" side of things like lance did you dont deserve the success he had either

Armstrong never used dope. You have no way to back that up.
24 posted on 08/03/2006 2:36:42 PM PDT by Vision (“I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me" Philippians 3:14)
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To: Zack Nguyen

"Professional atheltics, particularly sports like track and field, have gotten to a point where drugs are simply a prerequisite for success at the world class level. That at least is what I have read. Maybe cycling has reached this point now too"

I think cycling has been one of the leaders in this field, rather than following along. Mid to late 90's it seems, given what we have learned since that all of the top guys were using some kind of subatances. Hopefully, the last few years have seen the start of a clean-up, but there's obviously still a way to go.


25 posted on 08/03/2006 2:39:07 PM PDT by Canard
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To: theFIRMbss
"Athletes do not get the same education that "normal" people get."

In one of the cycling machines, Landis's buddy David Zabriskie takes a shot at Bush, calling him basically stupid. Since the Landis scandal broke, I've been tempted to send Zabriskie a note saying that maybe he doesn't consort with geniuses, either. One reason I resisted thinking that Landis could be guilty is that I didn't think anyone could be that stupid.
26 posted on 08/03/2006 2:40:45 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Republicain
In opposition to all the rubbish I can read sometimes here about a supposed plot against Floyd Landis because he's American, I can tell you that nobody has anything to win in this affair.

I agree but listen to Armstrong talk about the anti-Americanism. The French press and whomever seriously tried to slander him with no evidence.
27 posted on 08/03/2006 2:41:44 PM PDT by Vision (“I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me" Philippians 3:14)
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To: Canard
" . . . the last few years have seen the start of a clean-up, but there's obviously still a way to go."

Quite a ways to go . . . Basso . . . Ullrich . . . Mancebo . . . Landis . . . Hamilton . . . et al. Kind of reads like the leaderboard . . .
28 posted on 08/03/2006 2:43:33 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle

cycling machines . . . uh, that is, cycling MAGAZINES


29 posted on 08/03/2006 2:46:56 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: AmericaUnited
Landis just didn't fall off the biking turnip truck yesterday

It was a horse drawn buggy a few years ago.

30 posted on 08/03/2006 2:47:01 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: AmericaUnited

The French probably spiked the sample. Corruption is a part of their culture.


31 posted on 08/03/2006 2:49:52 PM PDT by stinkerpot65
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To: Steve_Seattle
Well, Armstrong had fans spitting in his face during the Tour, and a lot of Euros resented his wins, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone would be tempted to taint Landis's urine samples. The European press is full of rubbish about America, about Bush, etc., so I really wouldn't put it past them.

If fans spitted in Armstrong's face, that's not because Armstrong is American, it's just because these fans (which are not all french) are simply morons (to stay polite). And I can tell you that the unpopularity of Armstrong in France (and Europe) is not linked to his nationality but to the fact that Armstrong is absolutely antipathetic, what was not Greg LeMond (despite he beat Bernard Hinault and Laurent Fignon) and what is not Landis.

32 posted on 08/03/2006 2:52:22 PM PDT by Republicain
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To: stinkerpot65
he French probably spiked the sample. Corruption is a part of their culture.

Yes, as crime, vulgarity and ignorance are part of American culture.

33 posted on 08/03/2006 2:55:31 PM PDT by Republicain
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To: Vision

Elevated levels of testosterone can cause prostate cancer. Coincidence? Hmmmm.........


34 posted on 08/03/2006 2:57:16 PM PDT by derllak
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To: Vision
I agree but listen to Armstrong talk about the anti-Americanism. The French press and whomever seriously tried to slander him with no evidence.

What Armstrong calls anti-Americanism is in fact "anti-Armstrongism". I repeat, the problem with Armstrong in France is not his nationality, it's Armstrong himself.

35 posted on 08/03/2006 2:59:41 PM PDT by Republicain
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To: Eurotwit

Thanks for your support. I try to post the articles I found interesting, especially about the "Old Europe". Maybe by that way, Freepers will get a better idea of Europe and understand that it's not necessary to nuke us one of theses days... :-)


36 posted on 08/03/2006 3:06:18 PM PDT by Republicain
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To: theFIRMbss

It is in fact proven that elevated testeronene leves increases risk taking dramatically.


37 posted on 08/03/2006 3:23:22 PM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: Vision

I think Lance should be kept out of it. He has NOT tested positive.

Anyhow, a lot of people will think what they will anyways.


38 posted on 08/03/2006 3:25:01 PM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: Republicain

There has been (and are some great French posters here), and I am impressed by the ammount of venom you guys have to tolerate.

Then again, whenever Norway it mentioned it is talk about Quisling and stuff like that. Those are "fighting words" if they were said to my face.

yet, on a message board like this, who cares?

I just wanted to voice my support.

All good people. In the US and in Europe needs to unite, because we are fighting a global enemy united against us.

Cheers.


39 posted on 08/03/2006 3:30:00 PM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: AmericaUnited

I've wondered that too. Why take something if you know you're going to be tested? Or is it that they are tested at random times throughout the Tour and so Landis (if he is guilty) figured it was worth risking it since he was in a desperate situation at that point in the race? Another possibility is that he thought he would able to beat the system - that he had some way of masking the banned substance but for some reason the mask failed to provide cover for him.


40 posted on 08/03/2006 3:32:00 PM PDT by Humbug (Thank you for taking the time to read this tagline.)
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