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To: Tribune7
I can't imagine where you're going with that. Let me review where this conversation has gone thus far lest anyone have trouble believing it.

  1. Posts 220 and 276 detail hideous levels of untruth, illogic, and hyperbole in Ann Coulter's evolution chapters of Godless.
  2. Tribune7 "refutes" the dissections thus: "This pretty much shoots down any reason as to why you should take it seriously: Coulter claims several times that the fossil record in no way supports Darwin's theory of evolution." That is, we all know that the fossil record refutes evolution so forget criticisms of Ann which get that elementary "fact" wrong.
  3. I defend the fossil record as matching our expectations very well.
  4. You attempt some wave-away of a particular fossil series, as if that were all the problem someone being an anti-E faces.
I should rather have noted the sheer inanity of the alleged refutation against the content of the web page in question.

Here's the link given in 220 . It contains the sentence you quote.

It goes on as follows.

Scientists have compiled a well-documented case demonstrating "large-scale, progressive, continuous, gradual, and geochronologically successive morphologic change" between reptiles and mammals. Coulter argues, on Page 228, that scientists "have no idea if the reptiles are even related to the mammal-like reptiles, much less to the mammals." However, contrary to Coulter's claim, science has observed links between reptiles and mammals through an existing succession of transitional fossils. Skeletal features are used to distinguish between reptilian fossils and mammalian fossils. While many characteristics differ between reptiles and mammals, scientists have observed reptilian fossils that over time took on characteristics of mammals, such as the construction of the lower jaw. Reptiles' lower jaw consists of multiple bones, while mammals' lower jaw is a single large bone. Additionally, most bones in reptiles and mammals are homologous, which suggests that the bones are of common origin. The most important homologous bones between reptiles and mammals are several skull and jaw bones of reptiles and middle ear bones of mammals. Furthermore, synapsids (a particular group of reptiles) share an additional homologous structure with mammals -- an opening behind the eye socket in the skull. This is very characteristic of mammals, which is why synapsids are referred to as mammal-like reptiles.
Note that the first sentence of the above contains a link to the Cuffey article well known to crevo thread participants who don't suffer from creationist amnesia. I can't believe you think you rebut real evidence by unfounded assertions, amnesia, and inability to read.

As for where you're going trying to nitpick one particular series to death: don't know, don't care. Try nitpicking the reptile-mammal series while you're at it.



365 posted on 09/22/2006 8:38:38 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro
Vade, I'm sorry but your posts always lead to an LOL.

That "particular fossil series" was one the one YOU provided to support your claim that Ann Coulter (and most evolutionary biologists) falsely say the fossil record does not show gradualism.

Here is what Wiki says about phyletic gradualism

Punk ek et al are attempts to defend evolution in lieu of the fossil record.

382 posted on 09/23/2006 6:12:09 AM PDT by Tribune7
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